[zaarn]

Yes but I also have to necessarily buy into the Apple ecosystem and pay a lot of money compared to Android, which I can just root and remove all this crap more easily than on Apple devices.

I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff.

[scarface74]

I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff.

So why do you think that your servers using third party software is more secure than Apple's? Have you personally audited every line of code in NextClouds software or every line of code in Android for security vulnerabilities?

[zaarn]

No, but I trust myself more than Apple. And I trust myself in who I choose to trust, which is not Apple.

Have you personally audited every line of code in Nextcloud or every line of code in an iPhone?

[muninn_]

Depends on your perspective. The reason these other products are “cheap” is because you’re making up for the dollar cost with your psychological well-being and being advertised to by the world’s best psychologists and cognitive scientists. So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account.

And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature).

Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device.

[zaarn]

>So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account.

I keep track of my expenses and so far I have paid less for the 3 Smartphones I owned than I would have paid to own any 3 iPhones with comparable age at time of the buy.

>And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature).

I trust OVH more than Apple since I pay for a dedicated server every month instead of paying Apple once.

>Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device.

Which is why I stated that this is why I don't trust Apple.