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by mrwong 3135 days ago
That article is incorrect. The youngest self made billionaire is Vitalik Buterin at an age of 23, the founder of Ethereum. Ethereum has a market cap of currently 35B. Its rumoured that he has 5-10% of the coin supply.
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And Vitalik is 1000 times more liquid than owners of private equity.

People need cryptocurrency to be illiquid for their peace of mind instead of just facing the reality that they made bad choices.

People with $1.1B in "paper equity" have more avenues to acquire cash flow than simply selling their illiquid paper.
Yes, they can borrow against it.

In the crypto space the lending facilities are just getting started, SALT, the central bank of Mauritus and others will also provide fiat liquidity for cryptocurrency collateral.

I've always been curious: what are those ways?
Loans against their stock, the company selling bonds. But after cryptocurrency enters the traditional financial system (eg ETH futures), I'm sure he will be able to get loans against it without a problem.
Taking out debt using their equity as collateral is probably the most obvious.
Could he get full value for all that ETH? Wouldn't a sell-off cause a crash in value?
Absolutely... market depth wouldn’t come close to supporting selling that much ETH without dropping the price. Markets would also react quickly on the news that the balances in his wallets were changing significantly.

Saying he isn’t a billionaire because of that is sort of a double standard though. Most billionaires don’t have billions in liquid cash, they almost all have illiquid property, stocks, bonds, etc. Selling off some of these assets would cause a very similar effect, and often they can’t easily be sold at all.

> Most billionaires don’t have billions in liquid cash, they almost all have illiquid property, stocks, bonds, etc.

Agreed on the first, the latter are pretty liquid, save for say 20% of Stripe's market cap, for which a private buyer can likely be found.

> Selling off some of these assets would cause a very similar effect, and often they can’t easily be sold at all.

I'm sure you can find buyers for them though, I'm not sure who's going to buy >$1B of ETH.

There are full fledged wall street trade desks that handle buys and sells in large amounts using same day wires, they would get ethereum and he would get USD, and "the market" would never know.

1.1 billion would take a few days, but it would be shopped around to other firms that want to buy that much without moving the market.

eh same as any asset class really.

OTC markets would probably price his assets at a much lower value than current trade price because of the volume and reaction from the markets. Public would know because the only way to safely trade ETH without letting Vitalk continue to have access is via a transaction, which is publicly accessible. I don’t know if his wallet addresses are publicly known, but a $3.5 billion transfer wouldn’t go unnoticed. Markets would almost certainly react negatively to him liquidating.

That said OTC price of everything could still be over $1 billion.

People don't know Vitalik's addresses. People estimate his worth and have no idea how much he kept or sold after the ICO in 2014 or at low prices in Ethereum.

Also, Ethereum won't mix inputs from different sending addresses, so it would have to be done in multiple transactions if he has multiple addresses. This would be indistinct from all the other transactions on the network.

OTC markets would try to price his assets at a lower value, and thats where you negotiate, and find counterparties yourself. If you know of several hedge funds that want to BUY ethereum without moving the markets UP, then you can sell straight to them, and tell the OTC trader that they won't get any volume and then you'll get a better price.

For what it's worth, shortly after the ICO Vitalik told me he owned less than 2% of ETH. There were more hands in that pie than people realize.
Assuming he still has 2%, that would mean he’s worth 707 million [1].

35,369,012,164*2%= 707,380,243

Still not in the big Bs club though.
In a log axis, still is effectively on the order of magnitude of "a billionaire".
Sorry, no. Nobody thinks of you as a millionaire if you have 700K in assets. Just not what it means. Need that third comma...