[elecbit]

Then, let us Catalans be stupid and go to extintion ourselves. We will probably be fine. If you want us to be in Spain, please seduce us instead of forbid us everything.

I haven't heard of any new independent country asking to be part again of the former one.

[pvaldes]

> if you want us to be in Spain, please seduce us

Yeah, the tiresome "seduce us (with mo' fresh money)" argument again.

I have a better idea, why you don't try to seduce me instead to call me thief (Spain stole us) and abuser (Spain oppress us and do not let us be free) and hit me all the time with a new surrealist occurrence (don't buy spanish products, here are a list of the evil companies that you must avoid if you want to be a good citizen)?

In the last 60 years, you have been offered a lot of gifs and privileges (that by the way, I don't enjoy), and is never enough. You are never, ever, happy. Always creating drama around, like an old crazy theater lady past her prime, always demanding to be loved, but giving in return dry sarcasm and a single uncaring kiss by christmas (when there are cameras around).

So thanks, but not thanks. I will pass this time. You are not so irresistible as you think and not so beautiful as you were 20 years ago. I deserve something better.

> I haven't heard of any new independent country asking to be part again of the former one.

This does not bother me, but there is always a first time for everything.

[stale2002]

It sounds an awful lot like things aren't working out then. Perhaps a split is better?

Then you don't have to deal with them.

A vote is happening. There is nothing that the government can do to stop it unless they send in the tanks and start killing millions.

[pvaldes]

At this moment, I don't see any tank. Maybe you are living in your own dark fascist fantasy?

Beware and let us know if you spot any zombie

[stale2002]

Correct. And because there are no tanks yet, the vote is moving ahead.

There has certainly been some disruption, but the people are mostly still forging ahead on all fronts.

The police have open fired on some of the pro independence people, sending a couple hundred to the hospital, but that is very minor in the vast scheme of things.

A couple hundred pro independence people in the hospital isn't that big of a barrier.

This is only the beginning. Every video of the Spanish military beating up an 80 year old lady with a ballot in hand is a propaganda Victor for the independence movement. They stop 1 person from voting, via their rubber bullets, and they create a hundred more pro independence people who were previously neutral.

[pvaldes]

Well played. You can exprime a lot of pro-independentist juice if you put a 80 years old lady in the position of being beaten and videotape all instead to try to defend her. Another point for the good guys.

Another possibility could be separatists thinking last week or yesterday "this is stupid, some people could be hurt!, for nothing!, why we don't stop this farce before... dunno... a 80yo lady is beaten or so?

I bet that the lady, or the child crying, would have appreciated that line of reasoning, but it seems that for separatists the more people hurt, the better. Curious if we think about it.

[stale2002]

If the spanish military are worried about people getting hurt, then they should stop hurting people.

The people voting know what they are doing. Many people throughout history have died for their right to do that.

[elecbit]

Please downvote this fascist.

[elecbit]

Check world news today and see the state violence against catalan people.

More than 800 wounded in hospital. I think it is not a fantasy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/01/dozens-injured...

[pvaldes]

798 of then fortunately with minor or moderate injuries including more than 30 policemen (updated, it seems that were more than 400 policemen in fact, but there is not still an impartial count), and sadly 2 people with serious injuries.

2 seriously injured == millions murdered?

If you want to bang your head repeatedly against the walls and trow chairs against policemen, please don't tell me that is my fault if you end the day with some scratches, a headache, a panic attack or something worst.

There is a great solution for this, avoid being deliberately (with your little kids not less!) in a place where something illegal is happening and was publicly announced. Avoid to participate in the scam and specially to mock and challenge the police in their faces (with the obvious goal to elicit a violent reaction for advertising purposes), and you will be OK. Take care of yourself and think twice before to act.

Independentists are irresponsably scalating their constant provocation and salivating since years with the idea of a militar intervention with shiny tanks and hundreds of people murdered (preferibly non-indepentendist people). Thus they could finally justify having their much dreamed war of secession, doing a little clean of the zone, and feeling like warfare heros in their neighborhood. This is not what happened yesterday, thanks to all deities.

And today the basques had also asked for a referendum to be recognised as nation. As expected. Great.

[kilburn]

> In the last 60 years, you have been offered a lot of gifs and privileges (that by the way, I don't enjoy), and is never enough.

Name three "gifts/privileges" that Catalonia has been given/granted and you don't enjoy, please.

[pvaldes]

I don't need to, neither feel particularly inclined this afternoon to teach you about how VAT is spent, exemption of taxes since 1518, or tricks of our democracy to allow some parties to have one deputy by each 50.000 votes whereas other parties need to be supported by 500.000 voters to obtain the same results in the same election

Just google it, spend a few hours reading legal documents and history of the country and will find the answer by yourself.