[stale2002]

It sounds an awful lot like things aren't working out then. Perhaps a split is better?

Then you don't have to deal with them.

A vote is happening. There is nothing that the government can do to stop it unless they send in the tanks and start killing millions.

[pvaldes]

At this moment, I don't see any tank. Maybe you are living in your own dark fascist fantasy?

Beware and let us know if you spot any zombie

[stale2002]

Correct. And because there are no tanks yet, the vote is moving ahead.

There has certainly been some disruption, but the people are mostly still forging ahead on all fronts.

The police have open fired on some of the pro independence people, sending a couple hundred to the hospital, but that is very minor in the vast scheme of things.

A couple hundred pro independence people in the hospital isn't that big of a barrier.

This is only the beginning. Every video of the Spanish military beating up an 80 year old lady with a ballot in hand is a propaganda Victor for the independence movement. They stop 1 person from voting, via their rubber bullets, and they create a hundred more pro independence people who were previously neutral.

[pvaldes]

Well played. You can exprime a lot of pro-independentist juice if you put a 80 years old lady in the position of being beaten and videotape all instead to try to defend her. Another point for the good guys.

Another possibility could be separatists thinking last week or yesterday "this is stupid, some people could be hurt!, for nothing!, why we don't stop this farce before... dunno... a 80yo lady is beaten or so?

I bet that the lady, or the child crying, would have appreciated that line of reasoning, but it seems that for separatists the more people hurt, the better. Curious if we think about it.

[stale2002]

If the spanish military are worried about people getting hurt, then they should stop hurting people.

The people voting know what they are doing. Many people throughout history have died for their right to do that.

[elecbit]

Please downvote this fascist.

[elecbit]

Check world news today and see the state violence against catalan people.

More than 800 wounded in hospital. I think it is not a fantasy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/01/dozens-injured...

[pvaldes]

798 of then fortunately with minor or moderate injuries including more than 30 policemen (updated, it seems that were more than 400 policemen in fact, but there is not still an impartial count), and sadly 2 people with serious injuries.

2 seriously injured == millions murdered?

If you want to bang your head repeatedly against the walls and trow chairs against policemen, please don't tell me that is my fault if you end the day with some scratches, a headache, a panic attack or something worst.

There is a great solution for this, avoid being deliberately (with your little kids not less!) in a place where something illegal is happening and was publicly announced. Avoid to participate in the scam and specially to mock and challenge the police in their faces (with the obvious goal to elicit a violent reaction for advertising purposes), and you will be OK. Take care of yourself and think twice before to act.

Independentists are irresponsably scalating their constant provocation and salivating since years with the idea of a militar intervention with shiny tanks and hundreds of people murdered (preferibly non-indepentendist people). Thus they could finally justify having their much dreamed war of secession, doing a little clean of the zone, and feeling like warfare heros in their neighborhood. This is not what happened yesterday, thanks to all deities.

And today the basques had also asked for a referendum to be recognised as nation. As expected. Great.