[bborud]

It Logo and VBA meet "my criteria" I must be terribly bad at getting my point across.

Kinda suprised to see a random blog post by me end up on Hacker News. If I had known I would have made more of an effort :-)

[effigies]

Woops. I totally missed this one:

> It has to be a "real" language. As in: a language that is actually used by a significant number of people in paid jobs.

Either way, as first languages go, they're not bad, as they let you get those immediate results. There's pretty minimal fluff. (I think. To be honest, I couldn't write anything in either of them, anymore.)

I suppose you could call them oddball, though.