[mikeash]

The + and non-+ versions are effectively different models, thus eight.

And it seems pretty complicated to me. I imagine a non-technical friend or relative asking me what they should get. In the past, the answer was pretty simple: decide whether you wanted big or small, and get the latest available in that size. Before the 6, I didn't even need that first step. Apple has kept the previous year's model around at a lower price for a long time, but with limited storage options it was obviously positioned as being only for people who couldn't afford to pay any more.

This year I can't even decide for myself whether to get a X, an 8, or just stick with my 6+. If someone asks me whether the X is worth the price premium over the 8, or the 8 over the 7, I won't know what to say.

"It seems that Apple can't win even when they do what most people have wanted for a while: more options at more price points."

I don't understand this statement. Are you surprised that different people have different opinions?

[alwillis]

Apple has kept the previous year's model around at a lower price for a long time, but with limited storage options it was obviously positioned as being only for people who couldn't afford to pay any more.

Or who didn't need or want anything more. Most of my older relatives would be with a 16 or 32GB iPhone SE for example.

This year I can't even decide for myself whether to get a X, an 8, or just stick with my 6+. If someone asks me whether the X is worth the price premium over the 8, or the 8 over the 7, I won't know what to say.

Yeah, I get the price/performance thing, but at the end of the day, it comes down to do you want the latest and greatest? Is that something you're willing to pay for?

When Apple Pay shipped, I knew I wanted an iPhone that could do that, so I got a 6s, even though I could have gotten a lower-end model. I knew I didn't want something as big as the 6s Plus, so I didn't get that, even with its dual camera setup, because the photos I can take on the 6s are good enough for me.

It's not a matter of is the price premium of the X worth it vs. the 8 in some objective way; is it worth it to you is all that really matters.

If you can't figure out what to buy, that says to me you haven't gotten clear about what you need vs. what you want and what you're willing to pay for those needs and wants.

Touch-ID works great for me, so I don't need Face-ID. However, I'd love to have an OLED screen iPhone but I'm not willing to pay $999 for it at this time.

Timing is a factor too. If you need a new iPhone right now, that means waiting until December or longer to get an iPhone X isn't really an option, especially if there's a hard deadline. Apple won't achieve supply/demand balance until Q1 or Q2 of 2018.

In some cases, these decisions make themselves.

[mikeash]

And in some cases, the bewildering array of options makes the decision difficult.

I don't even know if the X is actually better than the 8 for me, let alone whether it's worth the price premium. Things have really gone sideways with the X, because there's no longer an obvious best. The X is worse than the 8 in important ways, like no Touch ID and no home button. It's better in other ways. Which one wins? I don't know.

Back to the topic of things that wouldn't have happened under Steve, pre-Steve Apple had a vast and baffling Mac lineup. Steve eventually simplified it down to four basic offerings, one for each combination of (cheap, pro) and (desktop, portable). iPhones were even simpler. You lose out on choice, but you win on simplicity. Steve much preferred the simplicity of fewer choices. I don't mind having choices now, but it may very well end up costing Apple a sale this time: the more I waffle between the 8 and the X, the more likely I'll just decide to keep my 6+ for another year.

[alwillis]

Things have really gone sideways with the X, because there's no longer an obvious best. The X is worse than the 8 in important ways, like no Touch ID and no home button. It's better in other ways. Which one wins? I don't know.

I think you're over thinking this—the iPhone X is by far the best phone anyone has ever made. Think of it as the deluxe iPhone 8.

You're assuming Face-ID is a detriment; however, Apple wouldn't have shipped it unless it was as at least as good as Touch-ID. Perhaps you should read something from someone who's used one: https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_a....

Being a long time Apple observer, both professionally and personally, I call bullshit on this "Steve wouldn't have done this or that" crap.

Things change; Steve was known to change his mind when that was the right thing to do. What Steve did back in 1997 with the 4-product matrix is what Apple needed then, a company that had lost its way. Apple's total revenue then was a little over $7 billion; now $50 billion quarters are routine.

Apple has sold over 1 billion iPhones since 2007; it generates around 66% of its revenue. It clearly makes sense to have different models available for different consumers, not just in the US but globally, where more than half of its revenue comes from.

It wouldn't be possible to keep up this momentum if they only sold the newest and most expensive phones without being accessible to those who who need a device 1/3 or 1/2 of the price of an iPhone X.

[mikeash]

The argument that Apple wouldn’t ship it if it wasn’t great is crap. Is Apple incapable of mistakes?

Perhaps you should trust my evaluation of these models, when it comes to my own purchasing decisions?

Will Face ID work well? I bet it will. Will it work better for me than Touch ID? I have no idea. And Gruber’s brief experience with it tells me nothing. His tastes and mine do not align much.

[consz]

>You're assuming Face-ID is a detriment; however, Apple wouldn't have shipped it unless it was as at least as good as Touch-ID.

What an odd argument. Couldn't you have used the same argument for removing the headphone jack? And yet, the iPhone 7's lack of one was a detriment to me.

[alwillis]

The + and non-+ versions are effectively different models, thus eight.

Besides the size, the only difference are the camers between the Plus and non-Plus models.

[mikeash]

In other words, besides the massive obvious difference between the two models, they also have another difference?

(And just to be complete, battery life is different too.)