[matt4077]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3410062.15027179...

That photo shows a mob of white supremacists with sticks, beating a black man who is on the ground.

[leereeves]

That's from Charlottesville, where two violent groups fought each other. I'm asking about people being "rounded up".

[mschuster91]

> "two violent groups"

Are you seriously parroting Donald Trump right now? The lefties at Charlottesville were peaceful (and in those cases where it did turn violent, the Nazis began with assaulting). Most weren't even Antifa, they were ordinary Charlottesville citizens protesting against Nazis from all over the USA taking their city over!

[leereeves]

Some of the "lefties" were peaceful.

Some of them came armed with pepper spray, urine bombs, baseball bats, shields, helmets, etc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/12/pr...

Some of them attacked reporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jufZItpL3o0

A NY Times reporter said:

> The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park

https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/896575560650035200

It's deeply unfortunate that peaceful people were caught in the middle of that, but both sides share responsibility for the violence.

[croon]

Your quoted person:

> Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.

They are not the same. First off: disclaimer: I'm not condoning any violence, but this is a fact:

There would be no antifa without far right extremists. There would be far right extremists regardless.

One is an admittedly on occasion violent antibody, but an antibody to a disease nonetheless. They might share blame, but extremely far from parity.

[mschuster91]

I fully agree with you. Thanks.

Also, read this post by Daniel Sieradsky. It perfectly sums up why ANY comparison between Nazis and Antifa is totally invalid: https://twitter.com/NYCAntifa/status/898528286325723136

[leereeves]

That post claims left-wing terrorists are responsible for less violence.

A quick look at the Global Terrorism Database for 2016 (the most recent year available) calls that into question:

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?page=1&cas...

According to that, either Muslim or left-wing (anti-white or anti-police) extremists were responsible for all the fatalities in 2016, save one attack for which the motive is unknown.

[leereeves]

> There would be no antifa without far right extremists.

They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

Antifa is violent. Full stop. That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

[croon]

> They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

This doesn't negate anything I said.

> Antifa is violent. Full stop.

On occasion, their ideals aren't.

> That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

Again, not equal, and again, wouldn't exist without Nazis.

[mschuster91]

I was at G20. We did not initiate the violence, it was initiated by the police on Thursday by attacking the peaceful demonstration (which had even unmasked in the majority, as ordered by police).

Source: Witnessed everything from a bridge above the watercannons.