[leereeves]

> There would be no antifa without far right extremists.

They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

Antifa is violent. Full stop. That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

[croon]

> They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

This doesn't negate anything I said.

> Antifa is violent. Full stop.

On occasion, their ideals aren't.

> That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

Again, not equal, and again, wouldn't exist without Nazis.

[leereeves]

> Again, not equal, and again, wouldn't exist without Nazis.

Antifa is also "anticapitalist".

https://twitter.com/NYCAntifa/status/882475842802262016

They would exist without Nazis. In fact, Charlottesville may be the first time they've actually fought Nazis.

[croon]

> They would exist without Nazis. In fact, Charlottesville may be the first time they've actually fought Nazis.

> The first German movement to call itself Antifaschistische Aktion was proclaimed by the German Communist Party (KPD) in their newspaper Rote Fahne in 1932 and held its first rally in Berlin on 10 July 1932, then capital of the Weimar Republic. During the early 1930s amidst rising tensions between Nazis and the communists, Berlin in particular has been the site of regular and often very violent clashes between the two groups.

[leereeves]

I'm talking about the people who call themselves Antifa now, not everyone who's ever used that name.

There's no direct connection between those people in 1932 and these people in 2017, except using the same name.

[croon]

> I'm talking about the people who call themselves Antifa now, not everyone who's ever used that name.

> There's no direct connection between those people in 1932 and these people in 2017, except using the same name.

And you're basing this on what?

[leereeves]

The many years that passed between the two.

[mschuster91]

I was at G20. We did not initiate the violence, it was initiated by the police on Thursday by attacking the peaceful demonstration (which had even unmasked in the majority, as ordered by police).

Source: Witnessed everything from a bridge above the watercannons.

[DarkKomunalec]

> which had even unmasked in the majority, as ordered by police

Honestly I find such an order repugnant. Anonymity is crucial to free speech, especially when protesting a group as powerful as G20. I'm sure no-one thinks they should be forced to report their political activity to their employer (at least judging from the outcry when the Trump administration requested all those IP addresses), but such an order is effectively exactly that.

[mschuster91]

In fact, masking is a felony in Germany and can land you in jail for up to one year.