[smirksirlot]

Agreed. Before this I could arguably say that management was rotting away, but the rank and file should be excluded from judgment because they have no control.

But to hear this and read posts on social media lamenting the loss of Travis, and then contrasting it to the silence from Uber employees regarding Susan Fowler is stark and deafening.

If this is the type of people they select for, the ones who prioritize success by any means necessary, then Uber should maybe be a black mark.

[njj023]

Yikes, such unbelievably strong pre-conceived biases in your post. How about the alternate and more plausible scenario where Uber employees who arguably have the most clear understanding of the culture issues internally recognize the various dynamics at play – unlike a very black and white view you seem to be extrapolating from the outside?

[smirksirlot]

> most clear understanding of the culture issues internally

Is it really clear internally? It's clear to me that they don't understand the issues otherwise it wouldn't have taken public furor for them to start fixing it

[malandrew]

> otherwise it wouldn't have taken public furor for them to start fixing it

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the public furor is the result of an over-zealous media that likes to manufacture controversy because that's the most profitable modus operandi?

There are no lack of companies in tech and out of tech with the same problems.

Where's the public fury about those companies? That's right, there is none because the media doesn't make money writing about it. Heck, there was a UPS shooting in San Francisco like a week ago where I think four people died and the shooter was motivated by workplace grievances. Where was the public furor over culture at UPS and criticism of management at UPS? Again, there was none, because there is no money to be made.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Dick

The world believes Uber has a worse culture than most other companies because the media falsely believes it does, and "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" ― Upton Sinclair

For the record, I'm not saying Uber doesn't have things to fix. I'm saying they have the same things to fix as pretty much everyone else. The difference between them and all other companies is that they are actually being raked over coals to fix those problems that exists industry-wide, if not worldwide. In 6 months to a year, I suspect they will be a better workplace than most as a result.

[censoredforlife]

Couldn't agree more. Let's not forget the kind of racial discrimination that exists in all industries, but tech. I speak as an asian immigrant, and i can't see myself working in any other industry, and hope to get to any senior role.

How many immigrants make it to the top tier of management in media companies? None. How many in UPS, banks, the government... you name it. None.

The only reason tech has to answer, is because there is money in tech. There are working class people, making a fortune in tech BY WORKING HARD. The media and the government doesn't like it.

[njj023]

To give you some additional perspective, here is a FB post from a female Uber employee floating around in my circles - https://www.facebook.com/margaretann.seger/posts/10214004058...

She highlights the nuances of Uber's culture and how it has both affected her positively and negatively.

[njj023]

It should be in terms of what went wrong and needs to be fixed. You're right that they may have been blindsided to a large extent in this period of hyper-growth and wrongfully crossed certain lines numerous times. But the introspection and change usually does always come from a catastrophic event like Susan Fowler for example.

But an event(s) like these does not take away the need for a deep analysis. Travis not leaving but rather becoming more mature while at the same time keeping that same focus, intensity and dedication that got Uber where it is today is just as plausible -- and as is apparent -- the preferred approach for many Uber employees.