[oconnore]

All of those jobs you mentioned are not economic, they are public works -- and there is no funding for them, so at best those are volunteer efforts, not something to put food on the table.

You're right, in theory we could have a system where we put truck drivers to work doing great stuff. Losing lots of jobs could be amazing if we had the services and programs that made our society compatible with that. But we don't, they will take a long time to establish, and the political climate appears to be reluctant to even start building them. Thus: a disaster.

[ooqr]

That's exactly what I'd like to see. The problem with UBI is it's not that.

There's room for more than one social program in dire circumstances, but ideally we should have a social structure which incentivizes doing good. Help those who can't help others, and encourage those who can to do so.

[oconnore]

I'd like that too, but I think at this point, tactically, we need to come together on "we need some social programs, period", and not bicker so much about what that looks like on the first iteration -- there is always a second iteration to be had.

[ooqr]

Finally someone who sways me. I agree.

I do advocate at least modicum of empiricism and caution, an approach of testing ideas on city level before country.

[juhanima]

Making the society compatible with that actually sounds like an excellent idea. Why not?

[WalterSear]

> the political climate appears to be reluctant to even start building them.