[aeronautic]

Both. You want to choose a good password and then not let it get too stale. A very old password (say 1 year) has a higher chance of being subverted purely because there is more elapsed time wherein attackers could have gained access.

Choose good passwords, long, special chars, preferably random and generated by a password generator / manager. And then change periodically. That period depends on your application.

We change our cloud passwords and keys every 90 days.

[rubidium]

"A very old password (say 1 year) has a higher chance of being subverted purely because there is more elapsed time wherein attackers could have gained access."

Any actual evidence for this? My counter-hypothesis is if your password lasts 6 months of attempted hacks it'll last >6 years (unless social engineering attempts succeed).

I ask because rotating goes against the current NIST password guidance. In fact, for your recommendation "Implement simple but adequate password rules that encourage users to have long, random passwords", I'd recommend pointing people in that direction.

[aeronautic]

Sorry, I should be clearer (late here).

With time passing, the chance of you or anyone with access to the password being socially engineered, or some other human error, or a hack on your PC desktop systems, increases linearly with time. The password may last a decade of brute force cracking, but we humans .... continue to make mistakes far more frequently.

So rotating passwords protects against the accumulation of human mistakes and insider threats.

If you are using proper hashing, then your passwords should be safe even if the hashes are compromised.

Could you please point to the NIST recommendation you mention. I thought they said that you should NOT force customers to change passwords. But that is different to you rotating your own critical passwords at a time of your choosing and on your policy.

[pgsandstrom]

Rotating passwords will only help in a very specific situation: When the password has been leaked, but you have not yet been hacked.

If someone has already gained access to the system, changing passwords are not sufficient.

If no one has gained access to the system, rotating passwords does not protect you against social engineering.

[aeronautic]

Nicely said.

The one mod I'd suggest is:

If someone has gained access to the passwords and has not used the password yet or was not interesting in directly using the password themselves, but rather, they on sold it. There is a window of opportunity that rotation helps.

For example: you may be on one of the password lists being sold in the dark web. The owner of the list isn't hacking you, but those purchasing the list will some time soon.

So more specifically, you could be compromised by malware on a PC holding the password and that password may be extracted, sold and may not be used against you for months. Rotation helps in this case which is more common than we care to admit.

[winut23]

You are wrong, at least if you listen to what people like Bruce Schneier and other experts say about password security.