[dorfsmay]

I am not a js dev, but isn't the issue of no-framework that you have to write a bunch of code to deal for various browsers? And a bunch of more code to deal with basic web patterns that you'll end up copying from project to project?

[autoreleasepool]

I don't see where the parent suggested no framework. It's likely he or she prefers working a different framework or library, like vue.js or even jQuery.

For me, jQuery is the bare minimum requirement. I would never attempt to write a large app in pure JS, even with babel. You would definitely run into some of the problems you mentioned.

EDIT: I see now where he mentioned no-framework JS

[Achshar]

I have written relatively large (35k lines) project in pure JavaScript (without even jquery) and have never faced any of the issues mentioned by the parent, (Babel helped). I write native first and then run babel to appease my older browser faring users.

The advantages of native are that it's extremely snappy to use and fast to load. Bears smaller memory footprint (have to use angular.js at work and god it's awful) and with newer things like async await, ES16 classes, etc code management is very good. Can't recall the last time I had to take care of a specific browser quirk.

[tps5]

I have no idea what "native" means in this context, care to elaborate?

[Achshar]

I beg your pardon, poor choice of words, native here means plain js. Nothing more.

[haukur]

I really don't see how jQuery would help you much there. It doesn't provide any sort of common structure at all, and it's nowadays arguably not very helpful for its helpers either.

[autoreleasepool]

> write a bunch of code to deal for various browsers

jQuery helps here

[haukur]

Out of curiosity, which of these compatibility features do you find most useful?

[coldtea]

>I am not a js dev, but isn't the issue of no-framework that you have to write a bunch of code to deal for various browsers?

No, because it's 2017, not 2007.