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by goldmouth 3365 days ago
Please read Ghost Wars by Steve Coll or read up on the various Latin American dictators the CIA supported.

The US may not be the 'worst' but we certainly have our hands bloodier than most nations.

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Look up, whilst you're comparing badnesses:

1. The Catholic Church, particularly the 30 Years War and Huguenots (themselves not entirely blameless).

2. The Spartans and Helots.

3. England / Britain: North America, India, China, and Australia.

4. Belgium and the Congo.

5. Japan, and ... pretty much everyone in their neighborhood: Korea, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, etc., etc.

6. The Mongols.

7. Nazi Germany.

8. Putin's Russia.

9. Communist Russia.

10. Czarist Russia.

People are pretty damned good at being bloody bastards in general.

The United States certainly has a greater capacity than any other nation, state, or empire in all of history. On balance, it's been ... relatively benign. Not perfectly so by a long shot (see my comments elsewhere in this thread: Zinn, Chomsky, Twain, Sinclair, etc.). Absolutely could have been better. Should be introspected.

But in the context of "is Wikileaks anywhere arguably near unbiased", absolutely not.

The real issue with the US (and also the Catholic Church) is how underhanded and manipulative they are. They don't launch armies and run around conquering things, but they throw their money and power around to make others do their dirty work for them which means that there won't be any kind of effort to stop them.

When Nazi Germany tried to take over the world, the world banded together to stop them.

If the US funds a revolution in some developing country or other; that country doesn't have the means to rise up against the US and do anything about it, and the UN or the EU or what have you sure as hell won't declare war on the US because of some regional instability in the Middle East or Africa.

That's why the US are dangerous, not because they commit atrocities on the scale of Nazi Germany (which they don't, not even close).

The Catholic Church did plenty of dirty work. (I've been spending a few hours researching heresy and various permutations of burning at the stake).

Again, the real question here is Wikileaks increasingly glaring bias problems. The point isn't that Wikileaks have falsified information concerning real evils done by the US. It's that they've been conspicuously, and I have to say, having dug deeper, INEXCUSABLY quiet (if not silent) on the activities of others.

I absolutely grant that the US is, by virtue of its power and capabilities, deserving of extreme scruitiny. What we're looking at goes beyond that.

Wikileaks has a credibility and bias problem. The more so as its actions now appear petty and vengeful based on personal animus between Assange and Clinton.

And yes, Wikileaks are actively soliciting leaks -- against Britain's Labour party:

https://wikileaks.org/WikiLeaks-offers-award-for-LabourLeaks...

But not on Russia. Or China. Or Syria. Or North Korea. Or Venezuela. Or Marie le Pen. Or Rupert Murdoch.

(So far as I am aware.)