[kchoudhu]

You've got a chicken and egg problem here. The only way to train an engineer in this scheme is to have him manage people without having a clue, which necessarily implies breakage for the people working under him: definitionally a new person entering a specialized role has no idea how to carry out said role.

The only thing that fixes this is extensive training before promotion -- but this is anathema in modern corporations.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[voidlogic]

>You've got a chicken and egg problem here.

Not really, say you are a manager and you want to groom a good engineer to become a manager as well. Step one is, can they manage their own projects, step 2 is can they manage a project with 1 other, step 3, several others. Once they can do that and display moral and technical leadership, they are ready to be a manager.

>The only thing that fixes this is extensive training before promotion

When it comes to leadership and people skills, training can increase chances of success, but does not guarantee it by far.

[mizzao]

Another way to learn is to work for a great manager and pay attention, or work for a crappy manager and see the consequences of mistakes. The latter is painful, but also more instructive than the former.

[kchoudhu]

Life is way too short to spend time working for the abusive and the incompetent.

I prefer to mark the organization as broken and move on to greener pastures.