[csydas]

While true it's beside the point that was made earlier on. The Parent complains about "dongles", but really it's not much different than having to plug a portable computer into all of the accessories that are there already, there's just something extra tacked on. It's not like other vendors and set ups are immune to this; my previous work place had a Dell contract and their desktops came with some stupid video card where there was only one out-put and the only way to get dual monitors was a Y splitter from Dell.

In custom setups, if your card isn't Dual [connection], you use an adapter for DVI or HDMI, and so on.

Apple does have a lot to answer for, and their idea of "dongle for everything" does get tiresome and Apple should be above that. But it's not like it's unique to Apple or even new in the computing world. This has been standard for a long time.

[syntheticnature]

I used to work at a place with a Dell contract, and I had a laptop ...with a docking station.

I always pooh-poohed proprietary docking stations before I had one -- all the cables went to it, dock the computer, done. Best of all, it wasn't having plug something in where you need to set the computer down, then navigate something with one hand -- the dock felt nice and intuitive to set the laptop down upon with two hands, as if it was meant to be part of setting your computer down. Even worked flawlessly with my Linux install.

Sadly the E-series dock was not as intuitive -- I found it easier to manually plug in my headphones as the dock was a different sound device.

[droithomme]

You know what? I don't want to have to buy or deal with dongles.

We have a number of standard interfaces that work well. I require those in my pro level machines.

And you know what? I get those in my pro level machines.

The reality is Apple doesn't make pro level machines. That's OK. Neither does Nintendo, Kraft, or Parker Brothers.

[jolux]

It's funny because there isn't a single non-standard interface on the new MBPs and the old ones had magsafe (apple only) and thunderbolt (might as well be apple only)

[droithomme]

Cool, so you say it has USB 2/3, HDMI video, audio in/out, and Ethernet compatible with standard equipment, and without the need for dongles, that's awesome! I'll buy one tomorrow at the Apple store right after I confirm that you are telling the truth.

[jolux]

>Cool, so you say it has USB 2/3, HDMI video, audio in/out, and Ethernet compatible with standard equipment, and without the need for dongles, that's awesome!

What's this condescending bullshit for? Fuck's sake man, I never said it had it HDMI or ethernet (the audio situation hasn't changed) and if you had read this thread higher up you would see I was refuting someone who suggested they never had HDMI. They did, and now they don't. They haven't had ethernet since 2012 and for what it's worth they still do support USB 2 and 3, they just don't support those protocols over a type A connector, they support it over type C. Those dongles are standard (you don't have to buy Apple's) and can be had for $10 for a two pack: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AUKU1OO/?tag=thewire06-20&linkC... Adapters were much harder to find for the Thunderbolt 2 ports on the older MacBook Pro, you basically had to go with Apple for most things. Now you can buy the cheapest one Amazon will sell you and it should work.

But you know they don't have those ports, so I don't know what your deal is. I said all the I/O is now standard including the power connector. You can't say that of the older MacBook Pros much less any other PC laptop.

[jolux]

I completely agree, I was just correcting the parent. Using a 2016 15" MBP to write this myself ;)