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by timemachiner 3436 days ago
You ignore the fact most "gifted" students come from higher income families. There are "gifted" children from lower income families that would be misidentified due to underexposure of educational resources.
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High income families already send their children to "smart" private schools; why not allow gifted children on the public school track to enjoy similar opportunities?
Why not just make schools better for all, rather than replicating the educational resource hoarding that takes place in private schools?
Why not just make schools better for all, rather than replicating the educational resource hoarding that takes place in private schools?

Because we have working models for high performing specialty schools.

We already have endless infighting about improving every school.

And how do you define "better"? Is it a lower teacher to student ratio? Higher average test scores? Graduation percentage? Percentage of graduating seniors accepted at 4 year colleges? Some other measure?

I believe that I would have been better off in a separate school.

I have chosen to send my children to a charter school for that reason.

> Because we have working models for high performing specialty schools.

So just because?

>"And how do you define "better"? Is it a lower teacher to student ratio? Higher average test scores? Graduation percentage? Percentage of graduating seniors accepted at 4 year colleges? Some other measure?"

There is no "better" for everyone. Rather than just segregating students (and requiring more teachers resources etc.), work to made education better for your students. Have different classes at different speeds.

>"I believe that I would have been better off in a separate school. I have chosen to send my children to a charter school for that reason."

That's fine, and that's your prerogative as a parent. However, to say that segregation of kids should be the norm is a dangerous. IMO reckless.

So just because?

Because we know it can be done and how to do it.

Have different classes at different speeds.

We already have that. Education is more than a series of classes. It's the social interactions too.

However, to say that segregation of kids should be the norm is a dangerous. IMO reckless.

I find it dangerous, reckless and disingenuous for you to use a loaded term like "segregation".

The word segregation is off limits?

Sure, we all know the historical connotations, but we also all know the actual definition of the word. Though I will say, given the correlation between educational resources and race, the historical connotation may be appropriate in some of these gifted vs non gifted situations.

> However, to say that segregation of kids should be the norm is a dangerous.

Who said anything about segregation? I think kids/parents should have free choice about which school to go to: advanced/normal, where the school just makes suggestions and the parents can opt-out or in freely. The only way to get forced out of "advanced school" should be failing out.

> Who said anything about segregation?

Saying that student A must attend school B because of trait C and student X must attend school Y because of trait Z, is segregation. It just so happens to be based upon you deemed "educational qualities" rather than what we normally think about, race. Or more economic status.

> I think kids/parents should have free choice about which school to go to: advanced/normal, where the school just makes suggestions and the parents can opt-out or in freely.

We already have free choice. There are a myriad of private schools you can choose to send your children to. Pay the fees and send them.

We don't know how to make schools better for all.

Resources don't cut it, the best students learn more from reading a text book than the average students learn from the best classes. There are a lot of fads in education, but elite schools mostly maintain their status by having elite students not elite instructors.

You are missing the other half of the problem: what about the non-gifted. The majority of kids are average: they didn't get whatever it is that makes some people above average. They need the slower pace of school to learn, otherwise they won't learn.

The right thing for an average student is not the same as what is right for either the gifted, or the "retarded" (I forget what the correct term is.

Generally I've heard the term "remedial" used.
Do you mean handicapable?
How would that even be enforced? You'd have to make it illegal for private schools to exist.
Easy solution: universal screening with objective measures, instead of relying on identification by bussed teachers.
You missed the part where I said they are underexposed to educational resources. These "objective measures" would be biased against low income students that aren't taught the material.