[anon987]

Don't waste your time, it's PR bullshit:

"“It’s a very powerful headline, and the timing certainly makes Trump look good,”

The staffing up isn’t particularly surprising for a company moving into multiple categories from groceries, hardware and video to fashion and cloud services. But the move could appease Trump, who tangled with Amazon Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos during the election campaign.

[matthewaveryusa]

Look, regardless of your political inclinations you can't blankly hate everything Trump does. I get it, it's cognitive dissonance, but give credit where it's do. One company committing to 100k U.S jobs is huge. Looking at the numbers, that alone will contribute to 2.5-5% of job growth in the US (assuming job growth is btween 100-200k/month.)

Is it a political move? How couldn't it be? Is it somthing to lambaste about? No, it's basic job creation in the US, something we really need to sustain the America us cosmopolitans have forgotten about.

[xenadu02]

You're half-right. Not everything Trump does will be horrible and bad. We should judge him by his actual actions.

I'm 95% confident he is going to be a disaster (and so will this Republican congress) but maybe this country needs to experience some pain to understand that both sides aren't equal. Nevertheless I can't lay blame until action is actually taken and the results are known.

[astrodust]

"We can't press charges when someone's driving drunk until they crash into something or kill somebody. Our hands our tied!"

[yazaddaruvala]

"We can't press charges when someone's driving [seemingly] drunk until, [we know for a fact they are drunk or,] they crash into something or kill somebody. Our hands our tied!"

Be careful, your hubris is making conclusions you don't have facts for. You're more than likely right, but its a bad habit to start.

[astrodust]

Exhibit A: The "blind trust" that is anything but.

Exhibit B: Mass-terminating appointees before they're formally replaced leaving huge parts of the government rudderless for months.

Nearly everything about this presidency is off the charts batshit insane. There is no way this thing would pass a political breathalizer.

Have you listened to anything he's said? Did George W. Bush teach people nothing?

[yazaddaruvala]

I'm just saying.. we don't know. Your heuristics may help inform you slightly, but it is the future and by definition we cannot know. Otherwise if you really do know - you shouldn't be wasting time here complaining, you could be making a lot of money.

Having a different management style is just that: different, not "batshit insane". You really can't judge until the results are in.

For example, people questioned the way Job's ran his teams at Apple. At some point in time that was "batshit insane". To be frank, even today Job's management style is "batshit insane", but no one can question it because it worked.

Building a rocket ship company that planned to steal away revenue from Lockheed-Martin was "batshit insane", but Musk was able to pull it off.

Another example, losing half your army trekking through the Alps with elephants was "batshit insane", but Hannibal was one of the only generals in existence that could have destroyed Rome. Hannibal may not be the best example though, he happened to be outsmarted at the last minute, and acted emotionally rather than continue his objective - losing everything in the process.

I'm just trying to explain to you (while Trump will likely cause WW3): In general by jumping to conclusions, prior to having the data, you do yourself and the world a disservice.

[cmdrfred]

> off the charts batshit insane

I suggest you become more of a student of history. At very least it will leave you with bigger charts.

[MichaelGG]

How are you evaluating your confidence in him being a disaster? What're your priors? What criteria do you have for evaluating presidents after their terms? What's your track record in predicting presidential success?

How are you determining what parts of disasters are attributed to the presidency/government vs things only lightly influenced by that? We can agree that hurricanes in one year aren't caused by presidential actions that same year. What about epidemics? Large economic shifts?

I don't mean this as Trump support, just wondering how people get things like "95% confidence" and "disaster". How do they objectively define these things and avoid their biases?

[srtjstjsj]

Credit for what, to whom? First, it's a pledge not a commitment, and second it's a statement about Amazon's continuation of 20 years of steady growth. This isn't "insourcing" or "onshoring" ? Trump did this? How?

When you consider the wage of Amazon warehouse workers, it's a lot less than 2-5% of wage growth, which is what matters.

[refurb]

Would you be saying the same thing if Hillary had won and Bezos pledged these jobs? I'm guessing not.

[bmm6o]

It's too bad it's not a falsifiable claim. Unless you know how to get to the alternate timeline? (Asking for a friend)

[canadian_voter]

Is it a political move? How couldn't it be?

They're hiring 100,000 people because they can put them to work and make a profit.

They NOT hiring 100,000 people to make Trump happy or make favors in the administration.

[astrodust]

A) We're talking about Amazon here so don't be too quick to talk about profits.

B) They've only stated their intent to hire people. They haven't actually done it.

C) Is this net +100K or just 100K new hires? It's not clear if this is including churn or not.

[serge2k]

Announcing it like this is the political move. Trump can keep campaigning on it (he seems bizarrely intent on continuing to act like he's still trying to get the job) and Jeff gets some points with the President.

[basch]

job creation isnt basic, especially disruptive change and new economies of scale.

these jobs will displace slash replace other jobs. calling the jobs created growth without looking at what the new industry destroys is like going to the casino and bragging about how much you won, while withholding how much you "invested."

[cmdrfred]

I agree to be logically consistent you'd also have to make the same argument about Obama's unemployment numbers. Most of the growth lately has been in relatively low paying jobs.

[mnm1]

Since he's not president, the credit is definitely not due to Trump, though I'm sure he'll take credit for it regardless.

[MisterBastahrd]

Last time I checked, Trump isn't the President.

[serge2k]

> you can't blankly hate everything Trump does

Watch me. ;)

> In a call with reporters on Thursday Trump spokesman Sean Spicer said his boss was happy to play a part in Amazon’s decision

Did he actually though?

> You have a good company hiring people in an area where a lot of tech companies tend to be outsourcing people,” he said. “So it’s very positive, political or not. It’s still 100,000 more people in the U.

Amazon wasn't one of the companies outsourcing people. They have been hiring engineers by the boatload for years.

I'd guess the large majority of these jobs aren't going to be tech jobs anyway.

> Over the past five years, Amazon says it has created more than 150,000 jobs in the U.S.

So they are just over doubling the hiring rate? about 30k/year before to about 70k now?

> After Trump’s victory, Bezos tweeted: “I for one give him my most open mind.”

Good lesson from a smart guy.

[knowaveragejoe]

What a shameful and frankly frightening state of affairs we're in when this is the case. Why does the party of small government get a pass on this? Any self-described republican with even the vaguest interest in free markets should see a myriad of problems with the incoming administration. I hope they can actually grow some balls, stick to their guns and shut this travesty down before it really gets going.

[TheGirondin]

What does this have to do small government?

[madenine]

Its safe to assume that anything that happened since the election will be claimed by Trump. Regardless of whether he or his administration have the slightest thing to do with it.

All jobs created in the next 4 years will be because of Trump, and all jobs lost will be because of Clinton/Bush/Obama.

[choko]

It's safe to assume because it's SOP for politicians. You aren't saying anything that hasn't been true of any incoming president in my lifetime. Hell, it's often true in the private sector during a management change.

[bryanlarsen]

10 million net jobs were created during the Obama administration. How many of those did he tweet about?

[refurb]

Tweet? No. Press Releases? Plenty of them. You could have just done a Google search.[1]

And when Obama started tweeting before the 2008 election, everyone thought he was so "with it" in terms of technology. Trump does it and it's a problem.

[1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/...

[serge2k]

> Trump does it and it's a problem

That's cause he goes on 3am rants that sound like they were written by a 10 year old.

[Gargoyle]

His administration has certainly issued press releases about them.

This is getting silly. It is 100% in line for all politicians to claim credit for everything they can, and many things they can't.

[mason240]

We are really going to pretend that he and his supporters didn't credit for it?

[spoiledtechie]

More than 80% of those were low skills service jobs. The jobs Trump is creating and the factories he saved are high skilled high paying jobs.

[MisterBastahrd]

Presidents don't create jobs or lose them. The demands of the economy do that. Presidents can influence the economy, but they also have Congress and the Fed to deal with.

[aaronbrethorst]

Are you referring to Carrier, where some of the 1,100 jobs supposedly saved were never moving to Mexico? They're going to invest some of the money they're getting from the government into automation to further replace human workers.

Or Ford, which was never moving the jobs in question out of the country.

Or something else?

[Fricken]

It's a good day to be a billionaire. Trump is totally open to providing incentives and handouts to anyone who makes him look good. For better or worse, the doors to corporatism are open. How far we go down that path remains to be seen.

[notyourwork]

You missed one quote at the very end. Without it, the above reads like a quote with your reply to it. However, the last sentence was a quote from the article too.