[sandworm101]

It is a little more complex than calories in and calories out. It isnt kooky to suggest that some foods (liquid sugar) are absorbed more readily while other calories may pass through without absorbtion (plant fibers). What counts is calories in minus calories flushed away, something nobody really likes to measure.

Take orange juice with or without pulp. Same basic caloric values, but the pulp version carries much of the sugars away.

[emcq]

Liquid sugar also has more calories than plant fibers; it's a bit of a strange comparison.

Many of the details people focus on are second order effects, and I have yet evidence to see that calorie in minus calorie out is a bad model for estimating weight gain.

If you have evidence for the calories being missleading by more than 10% I'd love to see it!

[sandworm101]

I was talking abour two foods with the same calories but with different absorbtion rates resulting in greater or fewer calories passing through the gut undigested. 100cal of coke results in more weight than 100cal of grass clippings. One is easy to absorb and the other passes through almost untouched.

[emcq]

Sure there are plenty of undigested elements that inevitably become waste products, but if it's food that most people are eating, I'm very unconvinced that calories in minus calories out isn't the first order effect to model.

It's difficult for me to find nutritional data for grass clippings; but let's take your example and compare coke to alfalfa sprouts for grass clippings:

* 100g alfalfa sprouts is ~23 calories and would occupy a volume of ~3 cups [0]

* 100g of coke is ~38 calories and occupies a volume of ~.4 cup [1,2,3]

If you wanted to eat enough alpha sprouts to be equivalent to that .4 cup of coke, you would need to eat almost 5 cups worth, ~12x more volume! I can't imagine eating 5 cups of alfalfa sprouts, but half a cup of coke is trivial to guzzle.

Relative energy density seems to limit caloric consumption far before we need to model undigested bits.

[0] https://g.co/kgs/8aUo7E

[1] http://www.coca-colaproductfacts.com/en/coca-cola-products/c...

[2] http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/121Adensitycoke.html

[3] http://depts.washington.edu/chem/facilserv/lecturedemo/Densi...

[coldtea]

>It is a little more complex than calories in and calories out. It isnt kooky to suggest that some foods (liquid sugar) are absorbed more readily while other calories may pass through without absorbtion (plant fibers)

No, but it is kooky to suggest it as a standalone diet, complete with various invalid assumptions, outside of scientific dietary consensus.

Plus, you'd be surprised how far the "calories in/out" goes: http://www.fitmole.org/twinkie-diet/