[annoying_tech]

> Mac developers don't want to just get the job done. They want to get the job done while winning an Apple Design Award.

Well, thats kind of a narcissistic statement. How many people develop for Windows? How many for Linux? How many for Mac? oh.

I try to make my software as beautiful as I can, and keep a simple and usable UX. There are developers who don't care about guidelines, or design. That's not a platform fault, is just that there are developers who just want the job done, even in a ugly fashion.

[vlozko]

I'm not sure you've done enough macOS/iOS development to know where that feeling comes from. In every Apple developer conference, in much of the UI API, and in input from the community, the idea of creating beautiful apps is something that gets repeated over and over until it is ingrained in us. It has nothing to do with trying to be better looking than other platforms but rather trying to match the aesthetics and quality of other apps on the same platform. People tend to notice when your one utility app stands out as the ugly duckling on macOS/iOS.

[talmand]

I'm fine with that. My problem is statements like this:

"Take Mac away and high quality desktop apps will go away."

As if all the world's high quality apps are only developed on and for the Mac.

[achikin]

> "There are developers who don't care about guidelines, or design. That's not a platform fault, is just that there are developers who just want the job done, even in a ugly fashion."

And that is the biggest problem in software world, that's why our computers are full of half-baked, ugly, poor documented and uncompatible programs - because someone "just wanted to get job done".

[wila]

That someone usually is the product manager.

[achikin]

Maybe I'm stepping on a mine here, but almost all software Unix Hater's Handbook is talking about was created solely by developers.

[AsyncAwait]

But is the desktop Mac app market still profitable? i.e. are you able to sustain yourself with this app?