[FT_intern]

The percent of female CS graduates is ~20-30%.

Why are companies with female % that is similar to the female CS graduate % considered sexist but a company that overhires female engineers (to such a degree as to be suspicious of sexism) is seen as diverse?

[brianwawok]

It's just as sexist but it's not PC to stand up for the rights of men or white people.

[alexbeloi]

It's really hard to prove discrimination on a small scale, both majority male and majority female companies are probably recruiting from their employees friend network, so it is very possible that neither is discriminating on the basis of sex.

Meaning, they are hiring in proportions which are consistent with their applicant pools, those pools are just different because of friend networks.

People that study these things always take a macroscopic view and talk about sexism/racism in the industry in aggregate and rarely in any specific company.

[andreasklinger]

it's a feedback loop in society

if you don't know female engineers you might not see yourself doing this. especially if you parent neither see this as a fitting career path

[xenadu02]

>Why are companies with female % that is similar to the female CS graduate % considered sexist but a company that overhires female engineers (to such a degree as to be suspicious of sexism) is seen as diverse?

Nobody said that except you, which betrays your agenda.

Good engineering talent is in short supply and has been for two decades now. It certainly won't do any harm to explore alternate recruiting channels.

[ergo14]

Go on - tell us what is his agenda?

[FT_intern]

>Good engineering talent is in short supply and has been for two decades now. It certainly won't do any harm to explore alternate recruiting channels.

There is always an opportunity cost. Exploring alternative recruiting channels means not utilizing recruiting channels that have been optimized to find talent regardless of race/gender.

>Nobody said that except you, which betrays your agenda.

Articles that state that software engineering companies are sexist because they don't have a 50/50 gender split are very commonplace.

My agenda is not being discriminated based on my race or gender fyi.

[civilian]

I'm with ergo, you should explain your assumptions.

[mrkurt]

I don't think companies are considered sexist based on the ratio of men/women. They're considered sexist when they _act_ sexist and don't work very hard to cultivate a good environment.

[hueving]

It is. Companies like Google are frequently hounded to find out 'what they are doing about their gender crisis' even though their numbers reflect graduation ratios.

[mrkurt]

I think there are a lot of groups that have an obligation to change things, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're bad either. Google is big enough to actually affect the up stream numbers, I'm glad they're working at it.

[Crito]

> considered

By whom?

[BurningFrog]

> The percent of female CS graduates is ~20-30%.

In the US?

If you're hiring from the whole planet, that's not the valid measure.

[hnbroseph]

> hiring from the whole planet

this is difficult for a variety of reasons.