[honkhonkpants]

"Formerly involved in politics" hardly scratches the surface of what Rice is. Rice got on national television and told America that Iraq had nuclear weapons. Rice was also instrumental in leading the CIA to torture of certain detainees. Rice should be on trial at the Hague, not collecting honoraria for sitting on corporate boards.

[Mango_Diesel]

This is not related to the implication made that she is an equivalent to the board at Theranos.

One one side you have people who are actively using their political influence to help a company avoid laws and regulations and operate an extremely careless, dangerous, fraudulent, etc. company in a very sensitive industry dealing with people's lives.

On the other side is a former politician who appears to be diversifying her experiences by being a member of the board of several venture-backed tech companies, one of which is a pretty decent way to share files.

The motivations and sinisterness of one of them stands in stark contrast to the other in the example made.

[hueving]

When did Rice claim that? Please choose a different forum the spout political lies.

[hyperbovine]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/opinion/why-we-know-iraq-i...

[hueving]

Nuclear program != nuclear weapons. See Iran

[ryanlol]

Seems intellectually dishonest to accuse honkhonkpants of lying when Rice was claiming they could produce a nuke at any time.

[chirau]

'Can produce' and 'has produced' are two very different things.

Just because you can punch me, have already rolled up your sleeve and clenched a fist does not mean you have punched me, does it now?

[hyperbovine]

No, she leaves it up to the reader's imagination (note the evocative final sentence) to bridge the inch-wide gap between what she's willing to say, and want she wants to be able to say. Clearly the type of person you want on your board.

And that's a very curious example you cite considering Iran was the place the neocons wanted to invade next under the same set of false pretenses.

[ekianjo]

> Nuclear program != nuclear weapons. See Iran

The parallel is easy to make. Repeat if often enough and people will end up saying they have nukes.

[robbies]

You're on HN, so you have access to the Internet. This information isn't hard to find...

[jsweojtj]

I find this kind of comment cropping up - can you find a source for your claim that Rice claimed Iraq had nuclear weapons?

[honkhonkpants]

My source is I saw it on live TV.

"We know that he has the infrastructure, nuclear scientists to make a nuclear weapon. And we know that when the inspectors assessed this after the Gulf War, he was far, far closer to a crude nuclear device than anybody thought -- maybe six months from a crude nuclear device. The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

[oldmanjay]

When I started reading the quote, I thought it was going to back your argument up. It was a surprising disappointment when it did not.

[refurb]

You realize that that quote doesn't actually support your claim?

[kobeya]

You do know that quote is factually accurate?

[oneloop]

There's this website where you type in things and it searches those things for you. The url is google.com, you should check it out.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/10/wbr.smoking.gun/

[kobeya]

Claims made in the quote:

* Iraq has the infrastructure [for a nuclear program]

* Iraq has the nuclear scientists with the know-how

* Iraq was "far, far closer to a crude nuclear device than anybody thought" after the 1st gulf war

* Specifically, maybe six months from a crude device

* There is uncertainty about how quickly Iraq could acquire nuclear weapons

Sorry, but these are all facts. Saddam DID have a nuclear weapons program at the time of the 1st gulf war, and to the surprise of inspectors he was in fact very, very close to building a 1st-generation bomb. That's why there was an ongoing international inspection regime thereafter.

Although the specific uranium enrichment plant was destroyed after the 1st gulf war, a lot of dual use equipment was kept around. Those nuclear scientists didn't go anywhere. And for reasons that to this day seem bizarre, given what played out, Iraq was playing "cat and mouse games" with the nuclear inspectors (quote from Hans Blix) and there was a great deal of uncertainty about the current status.

Those are facts. Google them yourself.

Did Iraq actually have weapons of mass destruction? No. Did the US and UK oversell the case for war? Yes. Did a great humanitarian tragedy happen as a result? Yes. But that didn't make Ms. Rice a lier when she said what specifically what was quoted above. We must pay careful attention to factual accuracy.

[Tycho]

I think Saddam wanted to actually create the suspicion that he had WMDs, to scare off potential invaders (and he was probably right).

[oneloop]

I didn't say they weren't facts, I was just pointing out that if you have a quote and want to know it's correct, you just google it. Don't you agree with that?