I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media.
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52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll.
I would describe it simply as a smaller BBC, with all that entails. It's more like NPR than FOX in regards to bias. And that is an immense difference.
Edit: As you deleted your comment, I'll edit here instead.
I know the party affiliations, and why I made a comparison to a left biased state sponsored radio network. I still strongly disagree with your comparison to FOX News. It's a huge difference between being biased and still do largely good reporting, and being biased and straight up lying daily.
Party affiliation does not inherently imply doctored news reporting or necessarily even biased reporting. I'm not disagreeing about a bias. I'm saying your comparison is way off on the magnitude.
I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.
Parts of Sweden are descending into chaos, some parts (Rosengård in Malmö. Biskopsgården in Göteborg, Järva in Stockholm, etc - these are the 'no-go zones') already have. The news you get to see in the US and elsewhere often comes from these areas. Elsewhere in Sweden things are more like they used to be, although the problem with 'utanförskapsområder' (areas where a parallel society takes shape, areas which are no longer part of Swedish society) is growing. This is caused in large part by the fact that migrants are allowed to choose where they want to live. They often choose to live with others from their home countries and/or cultures, which leads to areas becoming dominated by non-Swedish and for the largest part non-western culture, which in turn leads to the remaining native Swedes moving out either voluntarily or being harassed until they leave. It is these areas which can turn into no-go zones where gangs rule the streets, where police can not operate without being harassed or literally attacked, where both ambulances and fire trucks get bombarded with stones by 'angry youths'.
In other words, these areas end up in a spiral of violence and destruction, leading to an exodus of people - native Swedes as well as well-integrated migrants - who are fed up with the violence. The ones who remain are either those who cause the problems or those who can not afford to move for whatever reason.
My grandma actually lives in Biskopsgården, I go there often.
Would I let my children go to school in Sjumilaskolan? Not if I could avoid it. But I also don't worry that my grandma will be harassed by the youths or the niqab ladies. Because she hasn't been.
The failure in these areas is obviously a huge problem and the state has fallen short in dealing with the issues. Hopefully the court system will take the hint and start helping the police but that's for the future to tell...
But I also remember the same kind of areas from 20-30 years ago. Where the social services put the drug addicts and alcoholics, where several cars would randomly get trashed because someone had a party, where the local nazi gang would show up to beat up an immigrant because of some rumor etc. These areas are not a new problem. I guess the big difference is they've gone from knives to guns. These are the areas where the most vulnerable in society live and everyone who can leave.
The "truth" in this case might just be based on your bias also, don't you agree? The parent comment could just as equally care about the truth in his own bias, who is the one who can judge what is objectively the truth or not?
While i agree that SVT/state media has a very left leaning profile and are leaving facts and statistics unsaid/hidden, that does not mean that the article itself is untrue and uninteresting.
Thats standard in immigration discourse these days, with one side drumming the narrative that immigration enriches our societies and helps our economies with other going that they are criminals and uneducated slackers looking to leech on social programmes.
"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
They don't deliver any arguments. The entire existence of SVT has one practical purpose: build political opinion. I am just saying that this is the case with them and pretty much every Swedish media outlet.
While I'm not a Swede I do live in Sweden and I do follow Swedish news (both the 'official' as well as the 'alternative' sources). I do have to concede that SVT (and, more or less to the same extent, SR - Swedish Radio) has a problem with bias. Being a state-financed broadcaster (through a mandatory payment for anyone who has 'television reception equipment' in their residence, no matter whether that equipment is used to watch SVT) they are by law mandated to be politically neutral. This is something they (as an organisation) fail in, and rather miserably. If I were to place them somewhere in the political spectrum they would end up next to the (ruling) labour party, sometimes to the left of them, sometimes to the right. In this they mirror most of the 'official' media in Sweden which hover around the same area in their political orientation. As the previous poster indicated this can partly be explained by looking at the political orientation for the large majority of those employed in the 'media' and 'culture' sector.
This combination of left-oriented media and a left-wing government has led to a systematic failure of the media to keep check on the government, especially where it concerns Miljöpartiet (the green party). That party was recently shaken by a number of scandals, mostly related to the infiltration of islamist politicians - one of whom made it as far as a position as minister for housing in the current government, he stepped down when his position become untenable - with an agenda which diametrically opposed that of the party itself. Until a few months ago there was not a single (!) critical voice in the 'official' media where it concerned this party. Where all other parties - especially those which are in opposition against the current migration policy in Sweden - were targeted by the media (as they should be, this is part of their function, to keep check on the political establish ment) the green party sailed by without a single critical voice.
Another problem lies in the fact that Swedish media often use supposedly objective but in truth politically activist research organisations as source for their material. The best example of this is 'Expo', an organisation which was set up to do research on anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia. This might have been their charter once but they do not live up to it, instead they are a political activist organisation with an agenda which resembles that of Vänsterpartiet ('the left party', formerly known as 'Vänsterpartiet Kommunisterna' or 'the left wing party communists', they changed their name after the demise of the Soviet Union) and Miljöpartiet. While in itself this is not a problem, they are still treated by the media as if they are an objective, politically neutral organisation. That is a problem.
Forcing all the refugees to stay in Greece or Bulgaria would just collapse those countries instead. You may remember that Greece had its own financial crisis, and Bulgaria is one of the poorest countries in the EU.
One of the contributory factors to the war in Syria was that 10% of the population were refugees from Iraq ...
A good analogy would be, if you were very thirsty, but there were no shops around and you had no money. You would walk up to the nearest house and ask for some water. But if they refuse, would you stand there and demand they give you water, or would you just go to the next house up the street and try again?
I feel like this is similar - refugees are met with animosity in good case and outright aggression in worst, so they just keep on moving until they get to the place that will accept them.
Not correct. Refugees stay in entry-point countries until their refugee application is processed, which can take months. Meanwhile, many of them seek to find illegal ways to move up north.
I don't see how what I said and what you said is mutually exclusive, or why what I said is incorrect. Refugees get to the entry-point countries, where they are met with squalid conditions in camps, aggression from locals and media, so they just pack their things and move somewhere else.
I'm sure that people who escaped war don't give a shit about having papers - they just want to be treated like people, not dogs, so if you put them in a camp with horrible conditions it's only natural that some of them will go somewhere else, whether they have papers or not. I still don't see how my original statement is incorrect.
They actually explain this in some stories. For example, some people had friends and relatives in Sweden. Some choose it because Swedens track record in human rights.
Also, the nearest EU countries were Turkey and Greece then Italy and Hungary who don't seem to accept refugees at this point.
I've always considered moving populations was a crime against humanity because it stems so many problems. The UN and the UCJ (The Haye) doesn't assume this, but I wonder whether they've ever considered it. Whether it's Syrians, various places in Africa, Palestinians, it's often at the root of many wars.
Also, French people think it's our duty to "export peace" to Syria. It's costing us €10-15bn (source: Our defense cost is €32bn per year), on top of €6bn new policemen recruited after the attacks. It's €900 per year per person in age of working when our average yearly revenue is only €22k. We're just choked. I mean either the UN coordinates the attack and the cost against Syria, either we shouldn't be there.
I read the other day that Sweden had to cancel the Earth Hour event where they turn of lights for an hour because the last time they did in 2015 many gang rapes occurred which were committed by refugees. (even 12 year olds were raped)
That's what you get when you let young women decide on anything related to the nations security. They are the one's who were holding the "refugees are welcome" signs, they are the ones who overwhelmingly vote for Socialists.
I live by the way in the EU so I'm also affected by all of this. Some might say it's heartless but if I saw today a women getting raped or beaten by a refugee on the streets I wouldn't even help her. A year ago she was likely one of those who was calling people like me (I'm against inviting millions to come to the EU like Merkel did) a racist in order to shut us up. Now live with the consequences.
No offence, but dailymail links should be banned on HN. It's just a vile website that is full of BS on literally any topic it touches. Whatever gets them most clicks/sold newspapers, basically.
Okay, let's just censor news that you don't like. I on the other hand live in a EU country that is the main target for these refugees and I can tell you this stuff (in particular rapes) is real and you calling it BS isn't going to change the reality of what is going on here.
Daily Mail isn't news, it's poorly researched clickbait.
Rape is horrible and I'm certain immigrants also rape, just as the natives do. But let's not kid ourselves, at least in my home country Sweden the number of sexual offences (including rape) have not increased significantly over time despite decades of scaremongering news about them, including on swedish state tv.
Statistics is easily tweaked or faked. There are already many cases of police in Germany and Sweden miss-reporting or covering up sexual offences by immigrants.
Statistics can never simply be read from a police database or similar. It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it. This is also why you can't compare many crime statistics between countries, rape being a fairly typical one.
The simple truth is that up until now no one actually cared and that is why it went unreported. Heck, the new years eve sexual offences will probably disappear among all the other sexual offences that go on every day that no one apparently cares about.
Festival groping is hardly a new phenomenon, maybe the new years eve thing is new but was it a temporary problem or is it a long term issue? No one actually knows yet.
And at what point some time ago did you decide it's vile or do you check it out everyday to ensure your assessment is up-to-date? Get down to specifics and your statement ('it's just a vile ...) falls to bits.
So, I wonder, which articles from today's Mail go into your 'vile' category? Aside from the human interest stories (I have a surprise for you. It's not a mainline news source!) there are a few articles by agenda-driven columnists and you don't have to read them in either the right-leaning Mail or similar pieces in the left-leaning Guardian. Are those columnists the irritating source of your vitriol?
It is hard to understand the hard situation that this people has, and is still, living.
But when I read about how this guy says "As a child, I used to watch a cartoon on TV. The show featured the main character Nils and his friend Mårten the goose." I can feel totally related to him. It is just a TV cartoon, but it is also a treasured memory of Sweden that I had as a kid.
It is worth reading the stories of this people and thanks to this article it is easier to truly feel their humanity.
Why should Europe feel responsible for these people ?
Europe has a ton of problems with roma people and the poor. Why should a newly integrated Syrian cook should earn more than a middle aged women in Romania ?
> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people?
Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough.
BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.
"Because they are human beings" is a naive answer.
My parents have worked 45 years as teachers in Romania, and now they get the equivalent of 300$ monthly combined in pension money. Romania is also not such a cheap country as you'd think.
Now, seeing as how even non-refugee migrants from typical holiday countries in North Africa get lots more money than that per month in the German welfare system, we have two options for thinking about the situation:
1) Conclude that my parents are not human beings, so it is right that they should receive less money than the migrants in richer countries
2) My parents should also be entitled to the same money, and Europe should feel responsible for them, too
"Perhaps Germany should instead focus on the pensioners in their country who have worked hard for 45 years and now live on the minimum pension."
Yeah, I agree -- that's exactly what should be done! :-)
A great part of the Germans' anger at the way politics is dealing with the refugee crisis is the fact that, for decades, they were told that there was no money for schools / infrastructure / pensions / child rearing / etc.
Now, suddenly, there's BILLIONS of € available for people who have never (and probably will never) paid into the social state money pot.
It's totally understandable that this creates resentment, even without taking into account the other issues surrounding the situation (culture clash, religious beliefs seen as a "higher law", slowly creeping no-go areas -- which don't exist, according to the government :P, etc.).
According to these people your parents are at fault :-). They should have either
1) worked in the German factories in Romania and get +200$ more
2) immigrate to Germany to work in the German factories and earn +2000$ more
3) immigrate to Germany and raise you as a German
My point is. Romania should not feel responsible and should not do as Germany dictates.
Romania is trying hard to overcome its corrupt post-communist past but they have a lot of problems to deal with in the first place.
"Romania should not feel responsible and should not do as Germany dictates."
Yes, I agree, and that should be the case for the rest of Europe. The problem is, when the rest of Europe does not do what Merkel wants (=accept tons of refugees without any security checks or plan how to deal with them), they are accused of "inhumanity" and "lack of solidarity" ;-)
> Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough.
No it is not. Everyone is responsible for him or herself.
Why should I give up my resources to feed people that have been indoctrinated by an aggressive, violent and fundamentally dysfunctional culture whose only export seems to be either oil or terrorism.
We often had refugees coming in here but I've never seen a group of refugees that hates us so much and disregards all our laws. They must literally think we are subhumans or stupid because they didn't seem to deal drugs and rape at will in their own countries.
Someone please explain to me what on earth they must be thinking to come here as guests, be fed and housed by us for free just to then go out and rape local women and children.
We had a case here where a "refugee" raped a 10 year old boy and later claimed in court (with a smirk on his face) that it was a sexual emergency. He didn't have sex for 6 months. In his mind this was a valid excuse.
So your fellow europeans are not human beings ? So we save one and let the other starve because we do not hear about it or we do not want to ?
Are not you a bit hypocritical ?
The Swedish press and government will publish anything positive about Syrians in Sweden. But they will not publish anything about the massive increase in rapes.
"On Monday, police in the Swedish city of Östersund advised women not to go outdoors alone following a string of public assaults and sex attacks in the past three weeks"[1]. Crime increase is huge, just google for independent news sources that were not silenced by governments.
Please be careful with so called independent news sources. There is a lot of noise around Sweden by the foreign state controlled media manipulation organizations.
SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll.
http://jmg.gu.se/aktuellt/Nyheter/fulltext//journalist-11.ci...