[kartan]

> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people?

Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough.

BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.

[nostromo123]

"Because they are human beings" is a naive answer.

My parents have worked 45 years as teachers in Romania, and now they get the equivalent of 300$ monthly combined in pension money. Romania is also not such a cheap country as you'd think.

Now, seeing as how even non-refugee migrants from typical holiday countries in North Africa get lots more money than that per month in the German welfare system, we have two options for thinking about the situation:

1) Conclude that my parents are not human beings, so it is right that they should receive less money than the migrants in richer countries

2) My parents should also be entitled to the same money, and Europe should feel responsible for them, too

Which one do you pick?

[petriw]

Germany is free to spend their own money how they see fit. For example, by sending money to Romania via the EU budget.

Perhaps Germany should instead focus on the pensioners in their country who have worked hard for 45 years and now live on the minimum pension.

[nostromo123]

"Perhaps Germany should instead focus on the pensioners in their country who have worked hard for 45 years and now live on the minimum pension."

Yeah, I agree -- that's exactly what should be done! :-) A great part of the Germans' anger at the way politics is dealing with the refugee crisis is the fact that, for decades, they were told that there was no money for schools / infrastructure / pensions / child rearing / etc. Now, suddenly, there's BILLIONS of € available for people who have never (and probably will never) paid into the social state money pot.

It's totally understandable that this creates resentment, even without taking into account the other issues surrounding the situation (culture clash, religious beliefs seen as a "higher law", slowly creeping no-go areas -- which don't exist, according to the government :P, etc.).

[barpet]

According to these people your parents are at fault :-). They should have either 1) worked in the German factories in Romania and get +200$ more 2) immigrate to Germany to work in the German factories and earn +2000$ more 3) immigrate to Germany and raise you as a German

My point is. Romania should not feel responsible and should not do as Germany dictates.

Romania is trying hard to overcome its corrupt post-communist past but they have a lot of problems to deal with in the first place.

[nostromo123]

"Romania should not feel responsible and should not do as Germany dictates." Yes, I agree, and that should be the case for the rest of Europe. The problem is, when the rest of Europe does not do what Merkel wants (=accept tons of refugees without any security checks or plan how to deal with them), they are accused of "inhumanity" and "lack of solidarity" ;-)

[DominikR]

> Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough.

No it is not. Everyone is responsible for him or herself.

Why should I give up my resources to feed people that have been indoctrinated by an aggressive, violent and fundamentally dysfunctional culture whose only export seems to be either oil or terrorism.

We often had refugees coming in here but I've never seen a group of refugees that hates us so much and disregards all our laws. They must literally think we are subhumans or stupid because they didn't seem to deal drugs and rape at will in their own countries.

Someone please explain to me what on earth they must be thinking to come here as guests, be fed and housed by us for free just to then go out and rape local women and children.

We had a case here where a "refugee" raped a 10 year old boy and later claimed in court (with a smirk on his face) that it was a sexual emergency. He didn't have sex for 6 months. In his mind this was a valid excuse.

[barpet]

So your fellow europeans are not human beings ? So we save one and let the other starve because we do not hear about it or we do not want to ? Are not you a bit hypocritical ?

[petriw]

In which European country do citizens starve because of immigration?