[yoplait_]

keto is the best way to lose weight, period. You lose weight while not even trying ... it really is the miracle diet, for most people anyway. Gives great mental energy as well. (yeah, sounds like bullshit, but turns out to be true for lots of people)

[comicjk]

I agree that, for a given caloric deficit, a ketogenic diet produces less perceived hunger, so you "lose weight while not even trying". However, keto also keeps your glycogen stores low, which reduces cardiovascular performance while the diet persists. This makes keeping muscle harder, especially if you have a lifestyle with requisite cardio (e.g. bicycle commuting). I don't think high-intensity cardio + keto is a good idea because, in the absence of glycogen, the body can tap muscle protein as a peak-power energy source.

[ssijak]

I have much experience with keto. For loosing fat it can be a tool in the arsenal but it is not everytime goto tool that it better than anything in every situation that some people try to make it is. As for the mental clariness, my experience is that I constantly have some kind of mental fatigue on keto, sometimes so much (after training) that I am funny to speak with (bugging out to much). That persists even after 1-2months on ketosis, cyclic or not, does not matter.

[fixxer]

Hard to be a great athlete without protein AND carbs.

[daenney]

You don't need to be a great athlete in order to be fit, which is what this is about.

[fixxer]

Let me rephrase: hard to have optimal (or even suboptimal) athletic performance without carbs.

[yoplait_]

yes I've heard about other people in your case. I probably shouldn't have overstated that point. Do you eat enough fat? It's easy not to eat enough I find.

[ssijak]

On my first attempt of ketosis I underate fat. But that was many years ago. Now I eat about 1:1 ratio of protein and fats in grams. About 150gr each. And 10-20gr max carbs all from veggies.

[emcq]

Are there any peer reviewed (or not) evidence that the keto diet provides additional weight losses beyond that which can be explained by calorie deficiencies?

[yoplait_]

Anecdotically you'll find lots of testimonies (including mine) arguing that it's much easier to control hunger on keto. I don't have food craving since I started and I get to eat as much as I want. So it's a lot easier to not overeat. Scientifically it's well known that eating carbs (especially fast acting carbs like sugar) triggers storage of fat.

[fixxer]

Yeah, I don't disagree, but that isn't my point.

[yladiz]

Anecdotally true or verifiably true?

[yoplait_]

Both. For the former you can start with success stories on the keto subreddit. For the latter there is decades of research on the subject. You can start with this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw

[yladiz]

Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI.

[yoplait_]

> Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI

well the professor in the talk has published dozens of papers so it's a good way to start. I'm not going to provide you with a literature review sorry :)