Same here! However, there is a line to draw on how much debt to put on someone. I know people who have tuition payments cutting into their living wages, affecting their ability to have even the basic necessities. There is nothing good about this unnecessary suffering, having to worry if you will still be able to afford a meal or a roof over your head.
> However, there is a line to draw on how much debt to put on someone.
Yes, people should decide how much debt they want to take on.
There are vast differences in the value of different degrees (cost and earnings). It's people's responsibility to educate themselves. The rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize someone's terrible decision to go into debt for a degree in basket-weaving.
Yes, we should. The average college freshman is 18 years old.
If you're old enough to drive a car, join the army, or be charged as an adult, you're old enough to realize that paying tens of thousands of dollars for a degree in musical theater isn't a great idea.
It's not rocket science. There are tons of resources online to help you figure out which degrees and schools are good value.
Yes, I agree it would be great if all 17/18 year-olds were able to sift through the marketing BS of school PR departments and the societal pressures to go to college, but it's increasingly obvious that they aren't making good decisions. I'm not convinced free college is the best solution either, but it seems you don't have much empathy for those without the same perception ability as you. I thought I was making the right decision, but now I'm stuck with 2k/mo for 8 years. I'm a bit bitter, yes...
Paying off your debt early also builds really good financial habits which will help in the future. You learn to live below your means, make a budget, etc
If they're Federal loans with a often below-inflation interest rate, the actual good financial habit is often to not pay it off, and instead amass a) an emergency fund and b) sock the rest into retirement via an index fund or something similar.
That ignores risk and also financial burden. If you owe $2k every month to NelNet or another institution, it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company. We had Federal Loans and the interest rate was still 6.5%
> it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company
Sorry, I have to laugh. This is the most HN thing I've read today. It's a tremendous privilege to have the option of quitting your job to travel the world, rather than the fear of being arbitrarily laid off, and failing to put food on the table or lose your house. My redneck might be sticking out this morning, though.
I didn't have student loans, have always had decent paying steady work (except for that time around 9/11), and have never felt financially secured enough to quit a job to travel the world.
I have moved around the country for work quite a bit, so I do feel fairly well-traveled. At least in the continental US.
I moved to Brazil with $2,000 and no job. Granted, I got lucky finding clients that would allow me to work remotely, but you don't need a fortune to drop out of the rat race. Things work out. If you have friends and family and aren't mentally ill, the chances of you ending up on the street are pretty low. You may have to eat fried flour to keep from going hungry, but it's never as bad as you think it will be (speaking from personal experience). The hardest part is taking the leap. I would have backed out if I hadn't already told everyone I knew that I was leaving, but here I am eight years later, still living abroad and making a comfortable living. If you are motivated and industrious you will find a way to thrive in any situation.
Edit: If you are supporting children, the above advice may not apply.
At least colloquially, this term signifies one has been to other countries (or better, other continents) and visited other cultures, immersed in other languages, other governments, other ways of eating, etc. One who stays within a country would not (in my opinion) be "well-traveled", despite the country being enormous. My 2cents.
Not having an emergency fund is about the riskiest thing you can do.
> If you owe $2k every month to NelNet or another institution, it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company.
The emergency fund helps with that. When built up, it should cover 6-12 months of zero income. Amassing it first means losing a job doesn't mean deferring payments on the student loans and winding up with years more payments to make as a result.
> We had Federal Loans and the interest rate was still 6.5%
One of my wife's student loans is at 2.5%. At 6.5%, it's not below inflation and paying it off makes more sense.
We took a slightly different approach. Have a 3 month emergency fund, then pay every extra dollar towards the student loan. Paid it off in 3.5 years instead of the 20year plan NelNet wanted. Now we are building out a 6-12month emergency fund and putting money into retirement. Maybe in the short term we are behind in retirement saving, but now we have a lot more cash every month to put into savings and investing. I would still recommend this approach because it emotionally feels wonderful to pay that last f*ing payment :)
But sometime emotions get in the way of financial strategy.
As others point out, it's really unusual to have federal loans as low as 2.5% (as you mention below). Most are considerably more. Are you sure that's a federal loan?
It's also worth noting that 2.5% is still higher than inflation in the last couple years.
https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/interest-rates indicates direct undergrad loans are currently at 3.76%. At that rate, you're best off paying as slowly as possible and putting the rest of the money into an index fund.
Perhaps it shifted a lot in the last few years. I went back to school to get an EE degree, and it's mostly pretty high interest. Sadly I was pretty financially ignorant until maybe my senior year of my second degree. Plus since I was older, and already had a degree, the amount of money available goes down a lot. I don't know how much that effected my interest rates (though my private education loans were at 10% if you can believe it).
Its nice that you earned your black-belt in self-discipline, but it doesn't benefit society much for you to become a miser to pay for a piece of paper. We are in a consumption economy...we need you spending money on things that create jobs for others, like homes and cars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Struggle can also cause bankruptcy, violence, and misery.