[ceejayoz]

If they're Federal loans with a often below-inflation interest rate, the actual good financial habit is often to not pay it off, and instead amass a) an emergency fund and b) sock the rest into retirement via an index fund or something similar.

[tswartz]

That ignores risk and also financial burden. If you owe $2k every month to NelNet or another institution, it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company. We had Federal Loans and the interest rate was still 6.5%

[douche]

> it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company

Sorry, I have to laugh. This is the most HN thing I've read today. It's a tremendous privilege to have the option of quitting your job to travel the world, rather than the fear of being arbitrarily laid off, and failing to put food on the table or lose your house. My redneck might be sticking out this morning, though.

[talmand]

I didn't have student loans, have always had decent paying steady work (except for that time around 9/11), and have never felt financially secured enough to quit a job to travel the world.

I have moved around the country for work quite a bit, so I do feel fairly well-traveled. At least in the continental US.

[pault]

I moved to Brazil with $2,000 and no job. Granted, I got lucky finding clients that would allow me to work remotely, but you don't need a fortune to drop out of the rat race. Things work out. If you have friends and family and aren't mentally ill, the chances of you ending up on the street are pretty low. You may have to eat fried flour to keep from going hungry, but it's never as bad as you think it will be (speaking from personal experience). The hardest part is taking the leap. I would have backed out if I hadn't already told everyone I knew that I was leaving, but here I am eight years later, still living abroad and making a comfortable living. If you are motivated and industrious you will find a way to thrive in any situation.

Edit: If you are supporting children, the above advice may not apply.

[talmand]

You are correct; supporting children, your advice does not apply.

Thank you for recognizing that.

[eatbitseveryday]

> well-traveled

At least colloquially, this term signifies one has been to other countries (or better, other continents) and visited other cultures, immersed in other languages, other governments, other ways of eating, etc. One who stays within a country would not (in my opinion) be "well-traveled", despite the country being enormous. My 2cents.

[talmand]

I believe that definition has a bit of an elitist attitude about it. I don't know you, so I can't say it is your definition, but I have seen it before. I believe it is a totally unfair definition for most people.

I define well-traveled as someone who has traveled a significant distance based on their circumstances in life. By your definition a large portion of the people living in the EU are well-traveled just living their normal lives. Which is a far easier thing to accomplish than someone in the US. I have driven from Orlando FL to Las Vegas NV, a distance of around 2300 miles or so, twice. How many countries does that cover for that range in the EU? I have visited many locations around both cities and in-between. I have lived in four states in different areas of the country, each with their varying cultures. I can tell you for a fact that the Southeast and Southwest US do have different cultures, even though they both sort of speak the same language. Walking through downtown Los Angeles after growing up in small town Alabama is visiting a different culture.

Just my 2 cents.

[eatbitseveryday]

> has a bit of an elitist attitude about it

I agree, there is a kind of snobby adherence to the term by some people, as they see the point of becoming "well-traveled" to have been able to afford it.

I politely disagree that the term -- or idea it was meant to abstract -- is to convey how much distance one has traveled, but rather how varied the places have been that one has lived in. Just a short quick visit, e.g. a many-hundred-mile 2-week scourge through Europe, robs you of the experience of living in a non-tourist area where the environment is nothing like what you are accustomed to.

The idea (phrased as "well-traveled" or otherwise) from my perspective is to learn that many countries have very different ways of life; some have better/free access to health care, or not at all; some have almost no diverse ethnicities (e.g. China), or that in the middle-east, you can have countries with a strong diverse mix of many religions (Lebanon); how foreign country governments treat you (no VISA, vs. register yourself with police everywhere); etc.

For those with hard lives, many can be some of the nicest people. Visit China, other south-east Asian countries, rural India, Africa, as well as the well-developed nations in Europe. The most important trait one should take away from travel is: first-hand experience at the range of life that exists on this planet, something which cannot be read from a book.

We take for granted many of the artifacts and ways we work in our lives; seeing others gives us perspective that becomes a useful skill. I wholeheartedly agree that these skills can be developed without leaving the country, among our own rich, poor; and we are fortunate to have all four climates within our borders, too!

[rglovejoy]

That's very true. Driving 2300 miles East from Paris will get you to the Ural mountains.

[ceejayoz]

The US is about the same geographic size as all of Europe and includes many cultures, languages, styles of government, and foods. Hell, just wandering around different parts of NYC ticks your boxes.

[ceejayoz]

> That ignores risk and also financial burden.

Not having an emergency fund is about the riskiest thing you can do.

> If you owe $2k every month to NelNet or another institution, it's much harder emotionally and financially to quit your job to travel the world or start your own company.

The emergency fund helps with that. When built up, it should cover 6-12 months of zero income. Amassing it first means losing a job doesn't mean deferring payments on the student loans and winding up with years more payments to make as a result.

> We had Federal Loans and the interest rate was still 6.5%

One of my wife's student loans is at 2.5%. At 6.5%, it's not below inflation and paying it off makes more sense.

[tswartz]

We took a slightly different approach. Have a 3 month emergency fund, then pay every extra dollar towards the student loan. Paid it off in 3.5 years instead of the 20year plan NelNet wanted. Now we are building out a 6-12month emergency fund and putting money into retirement. Maybe in the short term we are behind in retirement saving, but now we have a lot more cash every month to put into savings and investing. I would still recommend this approach because it emotionally feels wonderful to pay that last f*ing payment :)

But sometime emotions get in the way of financial strategy.

[imsofuture]

Most federal loans are at like 6.5% or something silly.

[magicalist]

As others point out, it's really unusual to have federal loans as low as 2.5% (as you mention below). Most are considerably more. Are you sure that's a federal loan?

It's also worth noting that 2.5% is still higher than inflation in the last couple years.

[r_smart]

Below inflation interest rates are long gone. I'm sitting at around 6.5% for most of my debt. And that's after refinancing.

[ceejayoz]

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/interest-rates indicates direct undergrad loans are currently at 3.76%. At that rate, you're best off paying as slowly as possible and putting the rest of the money into an index fund.

[r_smart]

Perhaps it shifted a lot in the last few years. I went back to school to get an EE degree, and it's mostly pretty high interest. Sadly I was pretty financially ignorant until maybe my senior year of my second degree. Plus since I was older, and already had a degree, the amount of money available goes down a lot. I don't know how much that effected my interest rates (though my private education loans were at 10% if you can believe it).