[bad_user]

The only thing I find understandable is censoring hate speech, but even then you'd be walking a fine line, because hate speech is hard to define.

Should blaming Islam, the religion, for disseminating hate be considered hate speech? Islam does exactly that, the Coran having passages that are hateful and truth be told, we can all see what happens when such a religion ends up being followed by extremists with the ability to buy guns. Sure you can blame those nutjobs, but then again, they wouldn't have such an easy time recruiting if we wouldn't be so tolerant of Islam being taught in schools.

Now don't get me wrong, because our own Old Testament also has passages containing hate speech and our religion is also guilty of crusades and murders, but thankfully we outgrew them. Religion, at least in the hands of the uneducated masses, is poison and should have no manifestation in public life outside the places of worship. And on Israel I have nothing against them, except that I think the oppressed became the oppressors, being guilty of unjustified crimes against Palestinians, financed by the tax-payers in the west no less.

Now, should I be allowed to say any of this? Isn't this hate speech? And if it should be censored, then why?

Just because it is illegal? Illegal for whom? In many countries you're allowed to say the above, whereas in other countries it is illegal. Should Facebook just ban everything that's illegal somewhere in this world?

They are clearly doing just that. You know, in Europe pictures of nude children aren't so taboo. In fact I bet most parents down here have pictures of their children nude and you can see nude children aged six and below on most beaches.

[1024core]

> but thankfully we outgrew them.

Did you, really? Have you looked at the gay-bashing that Christians indulge in? Or how about actively encouraging the destruction of Palestinian property and removal (even murder) of Palestinians, simply because they believe that "Jesus" won't reappear unless all of Palestine is ruled by Jews??

[r_smart]

>Have you looked at the gay-bashing that Christians indulge in?

But look at matters of scale. In Islamic theocracies, it is frequently illegal and the punishments severe. Even in attitudes, the numbers are really, really bad. Compare these two polls, one of predominantly Islamic countries and one of America (arguably the most Christian nation in the world). Obviously the US still has some work to do, but it's way ahead on this issue.[0] [1]

[0]: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi...

[1]: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-...

*edit: Typo, and added a qualifier

[dragonwriter]

> In Islamic theocracies, it is frequently illegal and the punishments severe.

The only reason its not illegal in much of the US (and, actually, the laws prohibiting it are on the books in a number of states but unenforceable due to federal action) is that would be Christian theocrats have been defeated by other political actors. Which is a certainly a good sign for the US, but hardly consistent with the idea that Islam is uniquely problematic and that Christianity has "outgrown" the same kind of repressive tendencies.

> America (arguably the most Christian nation in the world)

Maybe the most Christian first-world state with an area greater than 110 acres, but certainly not the most Christian nation in the world.

[r_smart]

I never stated Islam is uniquely problematic, just that the person I was replying to was making a poor comparison. I think at this current moment in the world, one could certainly make a case that it's uniquely problematic. Would you claim otherwise?

>would be Christian theocrats have been defeated by other political actors.

What happens to the people in Islamic theocracies that try to challenge the religious status quo?

And which more Christian nation did you have in mind? Maybe we can dig up something on attitudes there if you think it's a more accurate comparison.