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by asuffield 3566 days ago
Would you prefer that I not participate at all?
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We expect and accept a high false-negative rate. Our commenting system is optimised for zero false-positives at the cost of many false-negatives. This is a deliberate choice. So yes, I would expect to see a significant dropout of commenters who are clearly qualified.

The sort of people that we want to comment are likely to come back for another try anyway, and the long-term effect of this process seems to be doing what it was supposed to.

No, but you need to be aware when you are defending your employer that you are obviously a biased participant in the conversation, and people will generally look at you as such. (Not disclosing where you work isn't a good idea either, it's blatantly obvious and easy to identify biased discussion members.)

And you therefore need to focus on things you can clearly demonstrate and/or prove. Which is good advice for all discussion, really, but especially when people are going to be evaluating your commentary with more skepticism.

If you know someone is wrong due to confidential data, there's a couple ways of tackling that. Saying you know they're wrong because of info they can't see is generally not a productive way to correct someone, because nobody can really be sure you're being honest, or see what you mean. You will change no opinions with that approach. However, you may be able to use public data to at least demonstrate that someone is probably wrong.

Quality of candidates and success of hiring practices tends to be pretty subjective, mind you, and it's going to be hard to provide hard evidence of it. Long term success of a company would probably be the best metric. (Of course, which Google has in spades.) Though the counter to that would be many of their more recent stumbles that show that trend may be coming to an end.

As an additional question, apart from the rest of my comment: You've said you're an SRE. Do you have a hand in hiring at Google, perhaps for a team under your management?

    > Of course, which Google has in spades.
Or do they? The vast majority of their income still is from the search business alone.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/020515/busine...

> over 77% – or just over $52 billion – came from Google’s own websites.

That includes gmail, youtube, etc, not just search.

A further breakdown would be interesting though, AFAIK the still pay mozilla a bucket load to use google as the default search, so I'd say search alone was a significant portion of this.

That is ad revenue. You also need to add top the AdSense revenue in the next paragraph, the first one is just AdWords and search advertising.

The Mozilla deal ended some time ago. That is how we got here: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/07/recode-mozilla-could...

> Revenue from AdSense advertising made up 23 percent – or $15 billion – of Google’s total 2015 ad revenue.

So 23% + some portion of 77%. Still not the vast majority.

Not "some portion". As I told you, that first part is all ad revenue.

From the article:

- 75 billion revenue total

- 52 billion "AdWords and Search Advertising"

- 15 billion AdSense

So yes - the vast majority came from the ad business:

15+52=67 billion (90%) from the ad business, that leaves just 8 billion from all other businesses.

"came from Google’s own websites" - that was traffic, it still was ad revenue! With that ad revenue they created free content websites like Youtube. But what pays for Youtube are Google's ads. It is ad revenue. Creating a huge free video site over the years when you have billions to subsidize it is not a sign of superior business intelligence in my opinion.

Downvoting is a form of feedback. If you are participating, then hopefully you are open to the idea that people could give you negative feedback. You can still participate, but if you keep participating in the same way, then I'm guessing you'll continue to get downvoted.

(I didn't downvote you)