I responded to that several times. It does not matter who agrees with whom about their allegations of another's wrong doing when that is not questioned.
"Russia makes Propaganda."
"That's ironic for them to say, as you're complicit in making American Propaganda."
"These countries agree that Russia makes propaganda."
"Russia makes propaganda. So does America."
And so on.
Hell, America makes propaganda wholesale with its military advisors program and huge logistic and financial support of Hollywood.
You started by agreeing that there were different levels of gray, now you really argue the same position as Putin's propaganda -- there is no real difference between the democracies and the dictators.
Without doing any real discussion of all the liberty indexes and freedom of press etc...
I'm not claiming that there's no real difference; I'm claiming that it doesn't matter who agrees that Russia engages in propaganda. That doesn't change that America does as well.
Is Russia or America worse? I don't care which is worse, that doesn't matter. They both do wrong things.
it is not NY Times/CIA claims vs Putin's propaganda. It is claims by the democratic world vs Putin's paid propaganda.