[berntb]

You started by agreeing that there were different levels of gray, now you really argue the same position as Putin's propaganda -- there is no real difference between the democracies and the dictators.

Without doing any real discussion of all the liberty indexes and freedom of press etc...

OK, enough. Bye.

[dleslie]

I'm not claiming that there's no real difference; I'm claiming that it doesn't matter who agrees that Russia engages in propaganda. That doesn't change that America does as well.

Is Russia or America worse? I don't care which is worse, that doesn't matter. They both do wrong things.