[petetnt]

Sometimes I really wonder what people who post stuff like this on issue comments aim to achieve:

  @thelinmichael Guys wake up!!!!!! How can you implement an OAuth 2.0 without the ability to revoke access? I mean HOW DARE YOU?

  Fix this ASAP

I understand the frustration, but they aren't exactly helping the situation.

[SilasX]

In fairness, that's right about how I feel about the rendering of monospace in HN comments, and how HN commenters continue to use monospace for quoting even knowing how long lines will appear; I'm just a little better at expressing my dissatisfaction.

[BlackjackCF]

Same kind of folks who end up yelling at customer service or wait staff for something that's gone wrong.

Yelling isn't productive and it's not going to solve anything. You can totally communicate your frustration without resorting to raising your voice. If anything, making people that distressed is only counterintuitive and counterproductive.

[forgotpwtomain]

> Same kind of folks who end up yelling at customer service or wait staff for something that's gone wrong. Yelling isn't productive and it's not going to solve anything. You can totally communicate your frustration without resorting to raising your voice. If anything, making people that distressed is only counterintuitive and counterproductive.

I strongly disagree, I wish it weren't so, but as a matter of fact getting actively frustrated and asking to be escalated to a manager when on the phone with customer-service representative is the only way I've successfully gotten anything resolved as an insignificant customer of a large co. Personally, I detest the waste of emotional energy that involves and particularly abhor contacting customer service for exactly that reason.

edit: For the people down-voting: whether you like it or not is frankly irrelevant. This is in fact my real experience when dealing with the customer-service for any number of banks, cable, mobile providers, flight/hotel booking sites, rental agencies etc.

[mikeash]

What else have you tried? In my experience, a lot of people say that you have to get abusive to get results, but they only say that because that's all they ever do.

Kindness works much better. You can get stern if the agent is screwing something up themselves (like if they're failing to understand your actual problem, or are giving you irrelevant advice), but even then it comes down to being assertive, not yelling. By all means ask to be escalated to a manager when it's needed, but you can always do so in a calm and professional way.

Being mean motivates them to get rid of you as quickly as possible. Being nice motivates them to reciprocate. The former can work to get problems solved, but the latter works more reliably and produces better results.

[bitJericho]

When I did customer service, the only people that got compensated were the complainers. The nice people just got their problem resolved but did not get compensated for their troubles. Complainers definitely came out ahead.

[forgotpwtomain]

It's a loss minimization function right? You want to compensate those most likely to go write a negative review, or make angry social media tweets about you. That's why contrary to what GGGP says I actually think:

  @thelinmichael Guys wake up!!!!!! How can you implement an OAuth 2.0 without the ability to revoke access? I mean HOW DARE YOU?

  Fix this ASAP

Might actually impel some manager to make changes, if only to get rid of the attention from these unpleasant people in social media.

[mikeash]

I've had plenty of unnecessary statement credits and such just being nice. You might have done it that way, but I don't think it's the norm.

[bitJericho]

Wasn't personal, was company policy. I've been doing customer service for 10 years at various companies. Complainers always win.

[noxToken]

Two things:

First of all, there is a fine line between being assertive and aggressive. If you have an issue but aren't assertive with first tier customer support, your attempts may get rebuffed. It's a combination of lack of knowledge (haven't worked there long enough or convoluted rules) and wanting to stay within their working parameters (e.g. accidentally giving promo pricing to someone who doesn't meet the requirements).

In this case, be firm without being an asshole. State your issue with all of the necessary details, what actually happened, what you were expecting to happen, etc. If they can't meet your request, ask for an explanation. If need be, have them explain the policy regarding your issue.

Secondly, the first tier of customer support is generally limited in what they're able to accomplish without some kind of supervisor intervention. If they aren't solving your problem, you don't need to get angry and raise your voice at the low man on the totem pole. If you say, "It seems that you aren't able to take care of my issue. May I please have my call escalated?" That has never failed me before.

In my experience, phone support for most situations is not something that people are lining up to do. They probably hate answering just as much as you hate calling. Aggression can absolutely be avoided.

Remember: You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

[hluska]

If this is your real experience over multiple providers, frankly and with all due respect, I suggest that you consider both your style of communication and specifically how you treat customer support people over the phone.