[powertower]

> Because those crimes are (for anything above the baseline for people in general at the same poverty levels) are results of centuries of being abused, held down and denied opportunities.

Yet no matter where you look on this planet, no matter what the history of that location is, no matter how far back in history you go, the pattern (of violence such as murder and rape) stays the same - and even more so when those places are absent of the other races/groups.

[coldtea]

>Yet no matter where you look on this planet, no matter what the history of that location is, no matter how far back in history you go, the pattern (of violence such as murder and rape) stays the same - and even more so when those places are absent of the other races/groups.

I'm not sure I follow. What you mean by "the pattern (of violence such as murder and rape) stays the same"? The pattern of violence that black people do?

If so, that's absolutely wrong that it stays the same "no matter where you look on this planet, no matter what the history of that location is, no matter how far back in history you go".

In fact the amount of violence perpetuated by "white people", from the Crusades to the Holocaust, colonial wars, Cold War proxy wars, etc, and onwards, is so much higher, it's not even funny. And not even at their own house -- they pissed all over the world.

[powertower]

What I was referring to can be summed up here - http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-...

As far as medieval history and the other things you've mentioned go, every type of tribe on this planet has engaged in conquest and warfare. Some won. Some lost.

[coldtea]

>What I was referring to can be summed up here

Well, checking for the crime rate between different races and attributing it to "race", instead of looking for the underlying causes, is the epitome of racism.

No different from 18th-19th century scholars, who concluded that blacks had inferior intelligence and reasoning skills etc, which they might indeed have as individual examples under study -- but those scholars also forgot to account for the fact that blacks didn't have the schooling and freedom to develop their personality, or that their original culture was stolen from them and they were abducted and had to operate in a hostile and foreign environment.

>As far as medieval history and the other things you've mentioned go, every type of tribe on this planet has engaged in conquest and warfare. Some won. Some lost.

And some caused endless bloodshed and massacre all over the world for profit and control, and those tended to be whites, from them, to the modern world and wars for oil and strategic interests...

[powertower]

Condemning the entire white population of this world into collective guilt and perpetual servitude for the actions of others is the epitome of racism.

> Well, checking for the crime rate between different races and attributing it to "race", instead of looking for the underlying causes, is the epitome of racism.

Unless that underlining cause is race. And there are quite a few studies backing this up, that did take into account all the typical factors (such as socioeconomic class).

I don't think we are ever going to agree, but I am curious of what you think a middle ground solution would be?...

I would gladly trade some type of payment (reparation) for absolute freedom of association (in all aspects of work and life).

> And some caused endless bloodshed and massacre all over the world for profit and control, and those tended to be whites, from them, to the modern world and wars for oil and strategic interests...

That is because white societies had the technological and strategic platform to do so... If you where to give that same platform to any African-country president/leader/warlord/etc, you would find the end result 10x worse.

[djtriptych]

Where else were laws drafted specifically to deny rights to some race of people?

Google redlining and tell me who else we've done that to without restitution.

[powertower]

The conservative value on the amount of resources provided to minorities through affirmative action, welfare, charity, government programs and hiring quotas, and other forms of restitution is 20 trillion USD minimum.

Also the costs associated with absorbing the negative factors related to minorities (such as crime related costs, various social costs, etc) likely geometrically multiplies the above amount in various ways.

[noobermin]

The GDP of the US is 16.77 trillion USD. I severely doubt your estimation unless it is integrated over the entire history of the US.

[powertower]

Is over the last several decades.

[djtriptych]

he is lying.

[djtriptych]

I assume you've removed benefits received by whites, which dwarf those received by blacks every year?