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by sverige 3641 days ago
The older I get, the more I believe that what makes a partner likeable, kind, successful, and attractive is the amount of effort you put into getting to know them and to support them.

When I first met my future wife 35 years ago, she was stunningly beautiful. She worked for a time as an underwear model in fact.

Now her appearance is what is sometimes called "matronly" but she's even more beautiful to me than she was when we were teenagers. And interestingly enough, I'm still learning things about her 35 years later. She is the most fascinating person I know.

Has it always been that way? Nope. Regrettably, there were stretches of years that I neglected to pay attention to her, and it took a toll on us both. In the past five or six years, I have redoubled my efforts to pay attention to the little things, and we're both better off for it, I think.

And to bring it back to the article, she rejected me for a good five years before I really got anywhere with her. Not that I stalked her, but we ran in overlapping social circles and periodically I would try again. I finally figured out a way to gain her trust and interest. (Again, she had no shortage of suitors, so it was kind of like trying to get the New Yorker or Atlantic to publish your piece.)

The rejection never deterred me from trying again when I saw an opening, but I did always change my approach. We ended up in the same college class - again, mere chance, no stalking - and that's when she finally opened up to me a little. Still, it was years later before we married, and we both had other relationships during those years.

Meanwhile, yes, I dated a lot, and was in a couple of "serious" relationships during that time, so there was some quantity over quality there.

I will say that as I've gotten older, were something to happen where I was suddenly single again, the idea of "quality" has changed tremendously from when I was younger. The same is true with my tastes in writing.

1 comments

When you redoubled your efforts was she also redoubling her efforts in parallel? I'm curious because the way I see these stories almost universally implies the relationship quality is down to the man's effort
Meh, some women like to be pursued. Some don't. Some guys like to do the pursuing. Some don't. Sure, societal perceptions are one way, but it's up to you whether you let that define how you date. Going with societal perceptions will probably make you marginally more successful, while going with how you feel will be more comfortable.

If you devote the rest of your life to changing societal perceptions on this issue, you might be able to do it, but you might not succeed until after you're dead. It's not going to help you date--it will probably be counterproductive to that goal. And you probably only will have time and energy to pursue one change of that scale in your lifetime. Is this the thing you want to change with your life?

Ultimately, sure, you're right. It's not inherently only the man's responsibility to make the relationship happen/work/whatever. But that's not a productive truth; there's no pragmatic action that comes out of that. Sure, complain about it on HN if that makes you feel better, but if you actually want to succeed at dating the best thing you can do is suck it up and work around it.

EDIT: To add to this: the basis for this is evolutionary, and it takes an immense amount of work to get societal pressures to override behaviors that are built into our DNA. It's not clear that this will even be possible to change, even if some people devote the rest of their lives to it.

I wasn't complaining but I do consider this comment quite sad. Realistic but sad
Yes, she did, and I would say she worked at it much more than I did for quite a while. Both of us are what is called traditional, so I think there's a lot of truth to the idea that the man is the leader in the relationship. Not a popular view these days, but I don't care. The women I've observed in such traditional relationships generally do work very hard at it, so saying that is not at all meant to take anything away from them.
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?