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by prrrnd 3654 days ago
Am i the only one thinking that Steve Jobs would have refused most of the things that were introduced this morning? Apple sure has changed over the years.
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Maybe not. Does it matter? Steve Jobs, brilliant though he was, has been dead for a while now, and shows every indication of staying that way into the indefinite future. While that doesn't necessarily mean he has been unable to stay up on the last few years' worth of change and innovation in the mobile space, it does mean that whatever unique insights he's been able to derive from same are not in a place where they can do Apple's designers and engineers much good.
This is the exact right answer to 'it's not what Steve would have done'.

Who cares what Steve would have done? He doesn't, not any more.

Anyone who says this is basically just complaining about something they don't like, and invoking a ghost to back up the argument.

He wouldn't have refused them, but these would have been filler items or unannounced tweaks that people just discover as they use the product.

I'm not surprised we're seeing diminishing returns on smart phone UX though...

No, you aren't the only one. In my opinion, Apple has gone from a mixed of innovation + reaction + improved quality to mainly just reaction.
Agreed. I was yawning during this keynote. This is weak sauce.
What single thing would you have thought was better?
Steve was fantastic at saying no. He said no to the app store multiple times. He said no to almost everything that ended up being Apple staples. I'm not sure it's fair to give him so much credit.
Didn't Jobs also approve of that leatherette skeuomorphic nonsense in the old Notes app, and the weird bookshelf thing in ibooks? Nobody is perfect.

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Steve Jobs refused a lot of things that he later back peddled on, and released many things that failed.
Yeah, I don't think that all that junk added to Messages would have been added under Steve Jobs. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but it's definitely a notable departure away from clean and simple and minimal to something that is much, much more complicated and glitzy.
How much total keynote time was spent covering Mail templates during the Jobs era? (Too much). He liked dumb and friendly features as much as anyone.
Considering the number of people that use other messaging apps these features are what people want. Apple can't just ignore that.
Why not leave these things to third party messaging apps, keyboards, and integrations? Why does it all have to be first party?
Why build a first party messaging app if most people aren't going to use it? For people who just want to send plain text messages the UI is pretty much identical. Text box, type, send.
What if I want to receive plain text messages?
Turn off iMessage or tell your friends. Or get over it because it's just a silly message?
Use email instead. Or turn off iMessage and just use SMS.
In that case, I think I still have an old Motorola Razr lying around in a drawer somewhere you can have...
Did you miss the part where they indicated that Messages was the most used app on iOS? Why would they abandon that experience for their customers and leave it up to a 3rd party to control?
He signed off on the reel to reel tape deck podcast app though. I don't blame him. I liked it.
Difference was how Steve sold it vs the two presenting iMessage today