[Fuxy]

It's times like this that prove I made the right choice sticking to Linux.

There's nothing I hate more than the inability to fix things that are broken on my system or the fact that I would have to jump trough a lot of unnecessary hoops to do it.

The few small advantages are just not worth it in the end for me.

[matt4077]

There really isn't a hoop tp jump through... Everyone uses homebrew, which happens to work extremely well (to the point where it's apparently being ported to linux now – go figure).

With the homebrew git installed, the stars really have to align for that vulnerability to be exploited. You can possibly get a user to clone from your repository. But if you can also get him to use the git version you want, we're at the point where you apparently have control of the system already.

In comparison with linux, this vulnerability pales in comparison to the-common-void-that-shall-not-be-talked-about, i. e. the around 400 gems, npms, brews, pips, go(es?), roles and ppas installed & running on a typical dev workstation, no matter if it's Linux or Mac. It's just a matter of time until someone gets his version of leftpad installed on >100,000 workstations & servers before he flips the switch to turn them into cryptolocked hostages.

Also: I'd hate if I had to fiddle around with kernel parameters to get printing, sleeping, networking, waking, font-displaying, account-switching, video-playing, time-knowing or up-backing to work every time canonical decides it's time for a new <x>subsystem. I love linux on the server, but maintaining a function desktop system is simply a waste of time. A somewhat evil waste of productivity, actually, because it feels like work and at the same time provides those frequent little victories that can turn it into an obsession.

[zwarag]

> Also: I'd hate if I had to fiddle around with kernel parameters to get printing, sleeping, networking, waking, font-displaying, account-switching, video-playing, time-knowing or up-backing to work every time canonical decides it's time for a new <x>subsystem. I love linux on the server, but maintaining a function desktop system is simply a waste of time. A somewhat evil waste of productivity, actually, because it feels like work and at the same time provides those frequent little victories that can turn it into an obsession.

On the other hand. Once you master this (which is not such a huge intend), you know your system.

Which is a valuable "smart skill" when developing (even web apps). For example, knowing how to use awk and sed instead of having to start a node or ruby instance is a thing that shows a developer actually knows how to run linux and not only "how to run stuff on linux".

You'll also understand $PATH. Which apperently is a thing most MAC users do not understand. Having to start "docker-shell" because they don't know how to extens theyr $PATH is a freaking joke and a workflow killer.

I understand that MAC's are comfortable to use and maintain. But as developers we should embrace leaving the comfort zone and face the real deal. We shouln't be some bunch of kids who need mac because it's comfortable.

Lets grow from little kids that need "mama mac" to take care of our stuff and become grown up's that can handle a system, because they know the system.

[Domenic_S]

Long time Mac user here, I use awk & sed on a regular basis. Been familiar with $PATH since the DOS days and am equally comfortable SSH'd into a CentOS box as I am on the Mac.

I don't think I'm special here, but I'm for sure a subset of Mac users. My point is, seeing a Mac at someone's desk shouldn't make you assume they're idiots, just like you don't assume someone's a l33t-ub3r-h4ck3r if they're walking around with a lenovo.

[matt4077]

My point was exactly that 'knowing the system' isn't useful for a webdev when the system is the graphics subsystem. I'll gladly learn it when it becomes relevant - indeed I spend half the day in a console and can configure a linux cluster like the best of 'em. When there's time left, I prefer to choose the subject of my studies myself. Right now, I prefer to dabble in AI to triaging obscure linux bugs.

I don't get the idea that Mac users are attracted to the system because they cannot handle windows or linux – they just don't want to. Isn't it kinda obvious that the stereotype can't survive when you see >3/4 of all google employees using Macs?

But hey, maybe I should write an App that randomly introduces bugs into my stack to finally learn a bit more about it. And when my car breaks down, I'll be thankful for the learning experience.

[athenot]

» Everyone uses homebrew

Some of us prefer MacPorts. (Not that this changes anything to the argument you're making.)

[eyko]

The stars don't really have to be aligned: any script could invoke system git directly.

[matt4077]

Yeah, but a script that intentionally invokes /usr/bin/git has already achieved the non-privileged access the git vulnerability could provide. A script that unintentionally invokes (i. e. not to exploit) would then need to be combined with a malicious repository, which may be tricky.

But I don't want to dismiss this vulnerability – it's so easy to fix on Apple's part that they don't have an excuse. There are a few too many neglected corners of their OS where they seriously have to get their act together. But in practical terms, people focus too much on the technologically exciting or Apple/MS/<other divisive entity>-drama provoking vulnerabilities, while there's probably like one or two people working in software who actually verify every hash of every download and audit the source code for every version of every vim plugin they install.

[vertex-four]

> Yeah, but a script that intentionally invokes /usr/bin/git has already achieved the non-privileged access the git vulnerability could provide.

Or, in Old New Thing terms, "it rather involved being on the other side of this airtight hatchway".

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20140529-00/?p=...

[Fuxy]

While I agree with canonical being a pain the answer to that is simple just don't user Ubuntu.

I prefer Mint if I need a Ubuntu fork that's quite stable and has most things already configured generally used at work and as my personal desktop I use Arch mostly because compatibility with the hardware required the latest kernel at the time.

I like playing with the latest features and not having to install the OS every other year because some major update from canonical broke everything.

As far as fiddling with the kernel I never had to do anything like that to get the things you mentioned working the most I had to do is install some software and configure it correctly.

In the years I've been running Arch on the desktop it only breaks on average about 2 or 3 times a year which is quite decent considering it's a rolling release and I haven't had any major issues with mint since I started using it about 2-3 years ago.

I crashed the window manager a few times but that's about it in comparison Unity used to crash on me constantly and the entire experience of using plain Ubuntu as a desktop was awful so I understand why you would be against using it if that is all you knew of Linux as a desktop.

[rmc]

"Everybody uses homebrew" until the new intern or college grad roots your production database.

[efdee]

Claiming this isn't a hoop to jump through is Apple fanboyism at its best.

[stuff4ben]

Would much rather have a system that just worked but required a "hoop to jump through" in order to use git, vs the multitudes of hoops you have to jump to in order to get a Linux desktop system functional in a corporate environment.

At home when I'm futzing around I don't mind (and quite enjoy it). But at work I don't have time to diddle my device drivers and OMG the xorg.conf crap I had to deal with in the past that still give me nightmares...

[efdee]

I agree. But that doesn't make this less of a hoop.

[stuff4ben]

It also doesn't mean I'm an Apple "fanboy".

[pyre]

Really? Talking about how homebrew is pretty painless is "Apple fanboyism at its best?" Sure it's another thing to do, but look at any thread about running Linux on a laptop. How many people are like X laptop runs great you just need to add Y kernel parameter to the boot options. Isn't that a "hoop to jump through" too? Or all of the people fighting to keep their Windows install from upgrading to Windows 10. Isn't that a hoop to jump through?

[ascagnel_]

Installing homebrew is a hoop; in an ideal world, your OS vendor would provide a means for installing such packages safely (the Mac App Store would count if Apple cared about it).

This is also a bit weird since getting git installed on OSX in the first place requires it's own hoop: "buying" the free copy of XCode and installing it is required for the command line tools that homebrew relies on.

[djrogers]

"buying" the free copy of XCode and installing it is required for the command line tools that homebrew relies on.

No, you can simply download the command line tools that Apple provides free of charge - which the homebrew install script in fact does.

[efdee]

Comparing with the hoops Linux or Windows require you to jump through doesn't make this less of a hoop.