[zwarag]

> Also: I'd hate if I had to fiddle around with kernel parameters to get printing, sleeping, networking, waking, font-displaying, account-switching, video-playing, time-knowing or up-backing to work every time canonical decides it's time for a new <x>subsystem. I love linux on the server, but maintaining a function desktop system is simply a waste of time. A somewhat evil waste of productivity, actually, because it feels like work and at the same time provides those frequent little victories that can turn it into an obsession.

On the other hand. Once you master this (which is not such a huge intend), you know your system.

Which is a valuable "smart skill" when developing (even web apps). For example, knowing how to use awk and sed instead of having to start a node or ruby instance is a thing that shows a developer actually knows how to run linux and not only "how to run stuff on linux".

You'll also understand $PATH. Which apperently is a thing most MAC users do not understand. Having to start "docker-shell" because they don't know how to extens theyr $PATH is a freaking joke and a workflow killer.

I understand that MAC's are comfortable to use and maintain. But as developers we should embrace leaving the comfort zone and face the real deal. We shouln't be some bunch of kids who need mac because it's comfortable.

Lets grow from little kids that need "mama mac" to take care of our stuff and become grown up's that can handle a system, because they know the system.

[Domenic_S]

Long time Mac user here, I use awk & sed on a regular basis. Been familiar with $PATH since the DOS days and am equally comfortable SSH'd into a CentOS box as I am on the Mac.

I don't think I'm special here, but I'm for sure a subset of Mac users. My point is, seeing a Mac at someone's desk shouldn't make you assume they're idiots, just like you don't assume someone's a l33t-ub3r-h4ck3r if they're walking around with a lenovo.

[matt4077]

My point was exactly that 'knowing the system' isn't useful for a webdev when the system is the graphics subsystem. I'll gladly learn it when it becomes relevant - indeed I spend half the day in a console and can configure a linux cluster like the best of 'em. When there's time left, I prefer to choose the subject of my studies myself. Right now, I prefer to dabble in AI to triaging obscure linux bugs.

I don't get the idea that Mac users are attracted to the system because they cannot handle windows or linux – they just don't want to. Isn't it kinda obvious that the stereotype can't survive when you see >3/4 of all google employees using Macs?

But hey, maybe I should write an App that randomly introduces bugs into my stack to finally learn a bit more about it. And when my car breaks down, I'll be thankful for the learning experience.