[Longhanks]

"Making developer tools is just not Apple’s forte"

I'm sorry, but LLVM?

[nostrademons]

Technically, LLVM started as a research project at UIUC, and then Apple hired the principals and adopted the project in 2005. The LLVM website is still hosted by UIUC, and Google and other companies are also significant contributors.

[feelix]

Right, Apple DID NOT make LLVM. They just hired the guy that did (Chris Lattner) well after it was fully established.

[zw]

And then maintained it and fostered its growth while it became the foundation of modern computing…?

[lmm]

Maintaining and growing an existing tool with its existing developers who you bought in is a good thing and to be applauded, but doesn't necessarily mean the company is good at tooling in general. The cultural requirements are very different.

[iagooar]

Some people are really scared of Apple being cool.

[ghshephard]

You've just described 90% of every major product from a technology company.