[randycupertino]

My friend paid $5500 to go to a Tony Robbins seminar in Florida last fall- in addition to flights from SF, hotels, food, etc. She walked on coals and got to take some cool selfies with various people. When she came home, she was 7k poorer and I asked her what they talked about. She raved about the "experience" but didn't seem like she'd garnered any real insights other than to be positive and the same old The Secret garbage of visualizing the life you want. imo she should have used that 7k to chip away at her 60k debt in student loans.

[alexashka]

A lot of it is what you get from it, right?

I view Tony Robbins as a mystery - because I just can't quite figure him out.

He's rich so he doesn't have to continue. He seems genuine.

And yet, his overall message seems to largely be 'YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT! WOO!'

Just take massive action baby! Baby steps, start small, build, iterate, you can do it!

I am still not sure what the content is or if his presentation is a massive distraction.

That I can't quite tell what his overall point is worries me, and yet I can't believe that he's full of shit. So he's trying to do a good thing, he is succeeding in terms of money but maybe not so much in terms of actual results...

I don't know, Tony is a mystery remaining to be solved.

Those going to his seminars - I think they're just misguided. The steps to fix your life are not at a seminar, they're in improving your life, one step at a time. It's a life decision to strive for excellence. If you haven't come to that point and you're 30, it is probably too late.

If you have come to that point and you're 30, you don't need Tony's help.

So who's he really helping but the blow-hards who want to be 'inspirational' like him?

[chongli]

He's rich so he doesn't have to continue. He seems genuine.

I don't think the fact that he is rich and continues to work lets him off the hook. He may have simply deluded himself in the course of his touring. I think the thing we should challenge him on is whether or not he's thinking critically about what he's doing with his life. Indeed, this is what we should all be challenging ourselves on.

Self-deception is an extremely easy trap to fall into. The fact that it could happen to anybody is the reason we shouldn't let people off the hook for it. In my view, the way to truly respect somebody as a human being is to be willing to challenge them when you believe they're committing self-deception.

[alexashka]

I couldn't agree with you more.

The self-deception is that part that I haven't figured out.

I can't put my finger on what's really going on there, because I am brutally honest with myself. At the end of the day I know why I'm doing what I'm doing.

Are they delusional without being aware of it? Do they deep down know they're full of shit?

Are they hurting inside because they can sense they're full of shit but justify it to themselves that it's 'helping others' and all that?

It's like those fundamentalist religious folks who talk shit about gay people and then get caught with gay sex workers. Are people who seem goofy all like that? They know they're broken but can't help but keep the charade going or is there something else going on?

I can understand why a dude who's been a pastor his whole life has trouble letting go. That's where I imagine people who got rich off of being full of shit at some point go 'ok I'm done'.

Kind of how Bill Gates quit Microsoft and let his wife run his life, because she's not a piece of shit like he is. He had the self-awareness.

Trump seems to still be playing the game. Is it just raging ego-maniacs when they're rich? They just love the bizarre ego tripping they're involved in? I honestly can't fathom what goes on in there.

[WA]

> I view Tony Robbins as a mystery - because I just can't quite figure him out.

The same is true for typical internet marketer stuff "I teach you the secret to start your own business".

Once you're on the hook, it becomes about them and not about you or your goals anymore. Now you wonder if they truly possess that secret to a better life they claim to have.

You try their stuff, read more, buy more and always wonder if it's their process that's flawed or merely your imperfect execution.

[greggman]

I kind of view him as a coach. I know for me there are many things I could do on my own but I find them much easier with a leader/mentor.

[alexashka]

This is just an opinion so take it for what it is: Tony Robbins is a blowhard, unless your goal is to be a blowhard, he's probably not the best source of inspiration or advice.

Programmers are almost nothing like him, being so confident about things you certainly can't be that confident about, requires being delusional to a considerable degree. As long as enough people buy the shtick, everything is fine.

With programming, it's not like that, you need to be good beyond convincing others that you're good (that seems like the primary difference between people-skills and real-work skills)

So I don't know, I mean, if it's not broken don't fix it, but I'd be genuinely concerned for anyone thinking the way to their happiness and peace is predicated upon TAKING MASSIVE ACTION YEAH!

[Agustus]

A friend of mine did the same seminar, the thing that you get is positive belief in yourself to conquer anything. This may wane, but if you are down on yourself, Tony Robbins will turn you around.