[x3c]

I disagree with your assertion "There's tons of areas where that AIs, or rather, basic ML, could be used". The issue with AIs or ML or any probabilistic prediction of what user wants is that it takes away control. E.g. sorting your apps by usage. It's a solution in search of a problem. If you rearrange my apps by usage, you are asking me to search my apps everytime. It breaks my patterns and habits. And we are animals for patterns.

There are some definite places where AI/ML/Adaptive algos help. Examples would be Facebook search, Apps recommendation, music recommendation, smart playlists, autocomplete and search etc. where any good tech team worth its salt is already using these techniques.

It's also the reason why Knowmail or Inbox by google are not great. I go through my mail in a set pattern. I code those patterns by labels or folders and clean folder by folder. I don't need to context switch between each mail of similar definitive categories. In these mail solutions, I make decision of the context on each mail. Is it a support email or a collegue email or a mail from my priority mailing list or from a developer for tech problem?

And that's why I'm thankful that AI is not being used in the tons of places that you refer. You will put me in a world where I'm living by someone else's patterns that mine own.

At the risk of generalizing (but reinforcing the patterns thinking), it's a common pattern with Engineers to apply a solution on all kinds of problems without challenging the efficacy of said solutions for those problems.

[TeMPOraL]

I guess some people think about it differently than others. I don't see a properly applied ML as taking away control - I see it as reinforcing your control. ML as applied to UIs should be about your conversation with the app (and nothing else, no cloud bullshit please).

I haven't seen any actual adaptivity in Inbox by Google. The interface is static, it's just different than ordinary GMail. Is there something I've missed?

To address your example of sorting apps. This is a dumb idea mostly because - as you said - it interferes with habit-forming. Not that anyone cares these days, I can't find many examples where people would remember to not rearrange stuff like context menus pointlessly. But I think it could work as an addition. Instead of resorting your icons, just have a (small) area with, say, 5 apps most relevant contextually. This is something I'd actually pay to use. Hell, long long time ago I backed a project for an Android tablet homescreen that was supposed to rearrange visible widgets depending on your location and time of day. Great idea, but they fucked up execution (honestly, for such a project MVP is not enough, it gains utility per feature added in a superlinear fashion). I'd pay for something like this again.

> At the risk of generalizing (but reinforcing the patterns thinking), it's a common pattern with Engineers to apply a solution on all kinds of problems without challenging the efficacy of said solutions for those problems.

Hey, I'm not asking for a product like this to be built for general population. GenPop has plenty of flashy shiny apps already. I wish that someone would build a tool for a subset of engineers who think the way I do. The market is big enough to facilitate that. And apparently unwilling to cater for niches.

[x3c]

> I haven't seen any actual adaptivity in Inbox by Google. The interface is static, it's just different than ordinary GMail. Is there something I've missed?

If you turn on smart filters, it'll try to club promotions / payments / forums etc. smartly. It'd be right 90% time. But my threshold would be less than 1% failure.

If you open an email in Inbox, it'd recommend quick action replies like "Thanks, got it." or "Lets meet" etc.. It was on spot a lot of times, but I always wanted to add something more to the message and that's why I didn't use them.

> This is something I'd actually pay to use. Hell, long long time ago I backed a project for an Android tablet homescreen that was supposed to rearrange visible widgets depending on your location and time of day

I used One Plus2 briefly which had an area for smart apps. Since I could never predict what would be there, I never used it. I went there a few times to see if it would shorten time to action.

iOS has a recommended app at bottom left of lock screen. I use it purely as discovery. I've never found acceptable hit ratio of recommended app in my situational context and now I've blindness to that particular place.

If Knowmail guys are reading this, I'm not trying to discourage the product. I think Smartness should be in "Search mode" and not "Action mode". Action mode is when I want quick decision making and less evaluation. Search mode is when I'm open for back to back snap evaluations and unsure of next steps. i.e. don't interrupt my natural patterns. Ofcourse, I'm just one data point.

[TeMPOraL]

> If you turn on smart filters, it'll try to club promotions / payments / forums etc. smartly. It'd be right 90% time. But my threshold would be less than 1% failure.

I see. It's about as accurate for me, but I don't care much about the 10% of misclassified e-mails so I didn't even notice.

> If you open an email in Inbox, it'd recommend quick action replies like "Thanks, got it." or "Lets meet" etc.. It was on spot a lot of times, but I always wanted to add something more to the message and that's why I didn't use them.

I totally forgot about it. I.e. I've read an announcement of that feature, but I'm yet to see it. I don't know if it isn't available in my region yet or if I just dismissed it and forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me about it.

RE apps, I haven't seen it done right yet. I still think it can be done well, but developers need to stop doing it via trivial heuristic (frequency of use) or by hooking it up to a global recommender. Hell, maybe I'll write a proof of concept over the weekend (and who knows, maybe I'll even prove myself wrong, and discover why the idea is pointless).

> I think Smartness should be in "Search mode" and not "Action mode".

I agree with that. I think ML would be useful in "Search mode", or "Learning mode". Actions definitely should be static, so that one can have a chance to develop habits that speed up things.

[mcintyre1994]

> iOS has a recommended app at bottom left of lock screen. I use it purely as discovery. I've never found acceptable hit ratio of recommended app in my situational context and now I've blindness to that particular place.

Are you sure this is what you think it is? For me that app is always just an iCloud continuity app from my Macbook - like Safari or something.

I do have Siri app suggestions on the spotlight screen, those are typically useless.

[x3c]

http://blog.estimote.com/post/97824495825/ios-8-pushes-locat...

It's context cum geofencing. I might be mistaken though.

[mcintyre1994]

You're right - looks like the same space is used for continuity/handoff and for the suggested apps - I've never actually noticed a suggested app like that.