[lvspiff]

A great writeup but reading things over the only thing this shows me is Bernie's people are a lot more dedicated. if Clinton's staffers had the same level/type of access as Bernie's staffers to VAN why wouldn't they be doing the same thing? I find it hard to believe that her staffers wouldn't have noticed the data coming up as well, ran a few queries to realize what was going on, and suddenly realized what was going on and possibly make another couple queries to see what the other was doing. But that would be only if they were actually up and active at the hour the upgrade went into place which from reports sounds like they were not.

On a side note - wonder what happened to the VAN QA guy?

[eli_gottlieb]

>if Clinton's staffers had the same level/type of access as Bernie's staffers to VAN why wouldn't they be doing the same thing?

Because they firmly believe that she is inevitable, or perhaps even entitled to the nomination. Hell, Hillary talks like that herself:

>"I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the Republicans," she added.[1]

Her donors talk the same way:

>“Let Bernie outraise her — he’s not going to be the nominee,” a top donor said. “The idea that Donald Trump or Ted Cruz could actually be the president is going to be the greatest fundraising mechanism in the history of the world, and it’s just too early for that.”[2]

They don't think this is an election. They think it's a coronation.

[1] -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12...

[2] -- http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/bernie-sanders-fundrai...

[venomsnake]

I think that Hilary may be known in the future as the one that lost presidency twice.

Pundits are greatly underestimating the anti establishment sentiments in the populace. And the Hilary supporters I know right now are smugger than crosfitting vegans. Hubris is the easiest path to a politician downfall and there is quite a lot of it in Hilary's warehouse.

Edit: I also don't think that Bill really wants her to be president. His legacy turns from - ruled during the best years of Pax Americana to the husband of the first woman president. I would not be surprised if he pulls his punches.

[skwirl]

>I think that Hilary may be known in the future as the one that lost presidency twice.

What about Romney and McCain?

[mfisher87]

They were never seen as "having" the presidency. Hillary was seen as "inevitable" in two elections now, and lost the first.

[venomsnake]

They had the deck stacked against them. For Hillary both 2008 and 2016 the attitude is of "elections are just some formality nuisance"

[donarb]

Ethics?