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by jacquesm 3844 days ago
You reap what was sowed. Yes, what the NSA was (is!) doing is completely absurd. The net effect of that is a backlash against all information gathering by authorities and the practical effect of that is that companies will now be differentiated to greater or lesser extent by the amount of privacy their communications platforms give to ordinary citizens. This is what drives https anywhere and other such efforts.

That 'well meaning judges' have a harder time obtaining evidence in those cases where wire-taps are authorized with sufficient reasons and specificity (sp?) is a direct consequence of that.

But you shouldn't complain about the companies that merely provide what the market now wants.

Technology is strange that way, we, technologists can relatively easily make boxes that we ourselves can no longer open and those boxes can be used to transport information from one private individual to another.

Yes, the existence of such boxes may be an obstacle to law enforcement. But the rights of ordinary citizens are trampled to such an extent that I'd be willing to live in a society where those rights are restored if the consequence of that is that the police will have to work that much harder to gather evidence or that some criminals will get away with their crimes.

Authorities have overstepped their bounds to such an extent that this is now an acceptable compromise.

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First time I've read something by you I completely disagree with.

"If they want to provide a communication service here, the law is clear that they must abide by judicial orders that allow wiretapping in very specific cases."

I didn't the grandparent to be complaining. Simply stating that they are upholding the law of the country, which WhatsApp decided to ignore. The fact that it had massive popular adaption means WhatsApp may decide it should play ball, or the citizens of the country will get the laws changed. All of this is GOOD and indicates a WELL functioning society. Nothing is broken or bad because an App gets banned.

> First time I've read something by you I completely disagree with.

That's scary. Well, there is a first time for everything.

> Simply stating that they are upholding the law of the country, which WhatsApp decided to ignore.

Have a read:

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/brazi...

Brazil is not exactly a paragon of virtue when it comes to police force and legal affairs. Let's give the GGP a free pass for being entirely of 'good intentions', that still leaves you with a police apparatus that is involved in, amongst other things, unlawful killings and the use of torture, they rank 69th on the world corruption index, roughly around the region of such examples of upstanding morality with the authorities of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Italy.

If this were North-Korea or China everybody would be cheering on Whatsapp and FB for making a stand and not cooperating with the authorities.

Companies can make it easy on themselves by avoiding hard choices on which regimes to support in their quest for wire-tapping and which not by not having a footprint in a jurisdiction where such abuses are common and at the same time make it has hard as possible technically to actually cooperate in the first place. What you can't do you also can't be compelled to do.

The people of Brazil then have the option to make the use of such software illegal or not.

Most of the numbers about brazilian police are totally out of place and don't count the way our country is right now about violence.

We got the highest homicide count on the planet, being a country that banned guns. That, for sure, makes police more agressive.

How can those numbers be 'out of place'? Just last month the state of São Paulo started to remove assassinations by the police from the official murder stats [1] to make it look like things are getting better.

Also:

"Between January and November in 2014, 816 people were murdered by military police officers in the state of São Paulo." - and it did not reduce crime [2]

[1] http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2015/11/1704292-morte...

[2] http://ponte.org/pm-de-sp-bate-recorde-de-mortes-e-nao-reduz...

Do you realize we got a civil war in Brazil, where 60k people die every year?
It's the media like CNN that make my blood boil. I am not sure why Trump is in every other story on the international channel. Actual reporting does not sell.