[sukulaku]

With whatever parties happen to be involved. No one knows, because those circumstances don't currently exist anywhere on the planet.

[aninhumer]

If you're talking about the environment, then everyone is involved.

And we have a name for contractual agreements with everyone in a society. We call them "laws".

[sukulaku]

> And we have a name for contractual agreements with everyone in a society. We call them "laws".

Except that no one asked us if we agreed. Without mutual agreement, there is no contract. In reality, laws are commands that we're punished for disobeying.

Tell me, what's the practical difference between getting punished for disobeying a King's or Emperor's law, and getting punished for disobeying a law written by politicians or bureaucrats somewhere?

Then there's the problem that governments don't actually adhere to their own laws anyway. NSA's surveillance is unconstitutional. That's not a problem for them, but if you disobey laws, you will be punished one way or another.

Who do you think you're kidding?

[aninhumer]

>Except that no one asked us if we agreed.

And in your world, no one asks if we agree to property rights.

[sukulaku]

I'm sure you can distinguish between contracts and rights, so what exactly are you on about?

[aninhumer]

No one asks people in your society if they agree to a system of property, you just lock them up if they try to use resources they don't "own".

And calling them "rights" instead of "laws" doesn't make following them voluntary.

[sukulaku]

You know laws are something written by rulers, and you know morals are not.

Punishing people for not adhering to a particular law is not necessarily morally legitimate. Smoking weed is a prime example.

You know those concepts are different, so you're intentionally conflating things, which means you're a troll/sophist.

[tankenmate]

The law of Torts...