[rogerbraun]

Just use Conversations. It can now use the same protocol and is the best XMPP client there is.

I'm completely baffled that the Textsecure people insist on using the gapps package, which is of course an extreme privacy risk.

[finnn]

> It can now use the same protocol

Conversations uses XMPP, not whatever custom stuff WhisperSystems worked up for Signal. Are you talking about OMEMO[0]? That's their implementation of Axolotl over XMPP. So same crypto, yes, but different protocol.

[0]:http://conversations.im/omemo/

[rogerbraun]

That's what I meant, sorry for the confusion.

[moxie]

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10500188

[rogerbraun]

Thanks for the answer, but if you don't care about this use case, then I think I'll just use a different application that does.

The things I don't like about Signal / Textsecure are:

- Requires Google / Apple services

- No easy way to self host

- Accounts bound to a phone number

- No desktop client ("Being worked on" for months now...)

All these things can be solved for me by using XMPP with Conversations on Android.

So maybe the right thing to do is to stop complaining. Signal / Textsecure is just meant for other people than me.

[verusfossa]

Thanks for this! Seems to cover most of my bases. Secure, on F-Droid and gappsless. Here's hoping for a mainstream XMPP resurgence. Not holding my breath though. I had played with Jitsi before too, have to see how these compare.