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by pascalmemories 3897 days ago
It appears you've never had a real encounter with Police.

I've actually worked with the Police. ALL training is about asserting power when dealing with suspects (a suspect is anyone you stop or talk to - no matter what the circumstances; think about how many people reporting a crime actually end up being arrested themselves due to something they say which incriminates them, even in something tangential and unrelated to what they are reporting).

The moment someone tries to reassert control, training is to respond with additional aggressive responses to overwhelm resistance. Call in backup, draw a taser/gun/baton, physically take hold of the person etc.

Try pulling things like talking about your consulting projects and asking for a guarantee about making a meeting and you'll be lucky not to be face down on the ground in under 5 seconds and spend the next 24 hours sitting in a cell.

In all my years, I think I probably met less than 5 colleagues who could proportionately and reasonably interact with people, defuse tensions and remain in control (of both the situation and themselves). All the rest relied solely on the power assertion training and some couldn't even interact with other police officers without trying to assert power over each other. That always got nasty, especially when they did it to someone who, like them, didn't know how to back down or defuse a situation.

Unless you have a crack team of lawyers monitoring your every move, your best approach is to be compliant and non-confrontation. Remember as much detail as you can (especially names/numbers) and make a formal complaint later on, via a lawyer if possible, once you're out of custody (and preferably out of easy reach - remember the police are 24x7, they can expend huge resources to hound you out of sheer vexatiousness. You have to sleep. They don't.).

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Most european police forces train for de-escalation. Treating another person the way you want to be treated makes a huge difference.
The trick is: don't ask that question trying to put yourself above the police. Say it in a way that feels like asking for help. Suddenly, getting it your way becomes for them a way to show their power over you.

Haven't tried that with police, but it worked in other cases where I had to interact with people who had the means to ruin my day.

At the end of the day they are also people and they interact with other people in their day to day lives. When they go to the bank they don't arrest the teller. When they go to the supermarket they don't arrest the cashier. When they go home they don't arrest their wife and kids. Maybe they've seen the same movie you did last night. Maybe they are fans of the the same team. Maybe their brother went to school with you.

You can connect with anyone on a personal level but you need to have people skills. If you're confrontational and non compliant you're setting yourself up for this power contest you can't win.

Power tripping carries over into their personal lives. Their families have a much higher rate of domestic violence than the general population.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-o...

"police officers in Florida have an x2-x4 higher rate of domestic violence" isn't quite the same as saying all police officers are out there to beat up whatever person they encounter in their day to day lives. They're still people and they still need social skills even to be able to work with their bosses and co-workers. For example, I've met a pretty tough police officer in a Toastmasters club who I'm sure could under some circumstances be very assertive but at the same time can obviously interact with people like a normal person under other circumstances. I've also met plenty of non police with hot tempers and violent tendencies.

Anyhow my point is the outcome isn't pre-determined and you have some ability to influence how things go by using some people skills.

My approach: say politely "How can I help you, Officer?" I have the theory that, in the first seconds of interaction, the Officer places me in a category: citizen, or perp. I want to be in the citizen category.

Probably it helps that I'm a 6'4" white educated male, with a nice smile I think.

What country was that?
The UK. My role saw interaction across different jurisdictions and the UK seemed better than some (some of the US stuff was eye popping, even based on my experience). I'm sure there are places better than the UK but I can just base things on my experience. Others may be able to comment on the good based on their experience.