Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by kabouseng 3979 days ago
I must apologize as well, starting with saying it's straw men is just a tad too passive aggressive.

We are if nothing else viewing the world through the glasses of our own experiences, and as such I must ask that you take my comment as such as such (I'll explain in just a second). There may yet be a better system than naked capitalism, but from experience socialism / welfare states can be a slippery slope, where the masses vote for ever increasing entitlements that does little to alleviate their circumstances.

The countries you have mentioned are indeed the epitomes of good governance and social responsibilty, but they have one other very important characteristic going for them. They are mostly homogeneous. I don't think the USA can say that of themselves anymore and from experience that complicates things quite a bit.

My rose tinted glasses :) . I am from South Africa, another non-homogeneous society with deep scars where we have slowly seen the expenditure of social grants (state welfare) creep up with very little to show for it [1], up to the point where the entire economy is risking collapse [2], not so much because of the expenditure of social grants per se, but because the society here have adopted an attitude of entitlement and looting [3].

So I guess my point is (and was poorly made), be very careful of the law of unintended consequences.

>>"I think it begins with education."

Maybe, who knows. I personally don't believe that anymore.

>>"merely because they represent an average citizen."

I think as in most discussions, balance between viewpoints is what must be sought. Certainly the average citizen must have at least some forms of state provided protection from the rich and powerful and poverty safety nets. But I have also seen the opposite where the poor votes for larger and larger royalties for themselves until the most industrious of society simply packs up and leaves, not willing to part with their earnings with no compensation in return. (Again my rose tinted glasses, in South Africa 2 million tax payers pay 80% of all taxes, and supports 18 million social grant receivers and 2 million salaried government workers. That is not a sustainable situation).

[1] http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/10/02/growth-in-social...

[2] http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/06/28/south-africa-fac...

[3] http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2014-01-20-analysis-a...