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by wjnc 3978 days ago
It would be awesome if someone would use datasets like these to create a valuation of those musea.

Did you know musea do not know / publish the valuation of all of their works? And that they only ever sell works, even those they will never show to the public, to buy new works. And that buy selling a few percent of their assets they could basicly provide free access, with no loss to what works they show to the public. All these gems, and more, from a great article and podcast [1], [2]. (Totally not affiliated, but major recent eyeopeners for me.)

[1] http://www.democracyjournal.org/36/museums-can-change-will-t... [2] http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/michael_ohare_o.htm...

2 comments

[It might not seem so, but this is a constructive criticism]

You clearly have no idea whatsoever about what museums are, how do they work and what do they do.

No, museums don't sell heir works. Only some US museums do so, and they are harshly blamed by all other museums all over the world.

No, works in deposit aren't "works that the public won't see", but essential works to ensure the longest lasting to the pieces usually shown (but periodically put to rest through a planned turnover). No, deposits aren't a trove of unexploited treasures: some important gems and a lot of rubbish.

A museum is not a shop, but a conservation institution: it works on a hundred years perspective. Sure, sell a couple works to grant gratis access for 100k people over 10 years. And what do we do for the 390 next years?

Do you know anything about the art market? Clearly not: there is no value, just trend and fancy. Do you know something about economics? The simple fact that a work is kept in a museum (and thus is outside the market) changes the prices of similar works (if ever such thing existed: we are talking about unique pieces, no one is ever "similar" to another) available on the market. Thus you can't use the market prices of an artist to estimate the value of an artwork (putting another one on the market will dilute value of the other ones). But yet, you should know about history and how a provenance might affect the market price of an artwork.

Do you know something about art history? Because that would teach you one thing or two about how museums are for keeping works and transmit a legacy that outgrows small periods of time, like a lifespan. A museum isn't to sell works, because it isn't to follow present trends (you might want to find out how praised was Caravaggio in the XIXth Century, or Georges de La Tour around the same time).

And please, please, tell me: how would you evaluate museums? The one with most value is the best one? The one with the most items? Well, make an inventory of a museum, first, and then let me know if you changed your mind once you find out that "item" has absolutely no meaning.

Also: your latin purism is plain silly and clearly makes it a bit harder for your reader to understand you (I had to think it over a little bit before finding that it wasn't a typo). Neither Greeks nor Roman (Latins) had museums. The first one was established in Rome in the XVth century: the world "musea" was never a thing.

Getting an idea of a collection's total value would be interesting. But where would the valuation estimates of individual works come from, to add up? Predicting the likely sale price of a given work of art seems like a pretty difficult prediction problem. The primary data source would probably be past sale prices of similar items, but "similar" has quite a bit of complexity to it, and there isn't even a good public dataset of past sale prices. Most collector-to-collector sales are private, and galleries/dealers are secretive about their own data. As far as I can tell, auctioneers like Sotheby's come up with estimated price ranges for works coming up for sale through fairly labor-intensive, case-by-case research that draws on non-public information about past prices and current market interest (and even their price estimates are frequently way off).