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by justabystander 3981 days ago
> I see most people saying "quit!", but really that is not fair to the business or the other people who are there. This kind of behavior gives technical people a bad name, and perpetuates the myth that we are social hermits who cannot sell or run companies.

This is hardly a fair statement. A person specializing in business, marketing, or PR would do the same thing - quit if their manager/CEO is terrible. Moreover, they would have demanded far more out of the company and left within 2 years instead of four.

People saying "quit" are doing it because it's not really worth the hassle to them. They're avoiding conflict. Which is quite acceptable unless he's going to use that conflict to better his own position. He's spent four years of dealing with this and being underpaid. He could just walk and get a better paying job in a better environment. Standing up for himself might bring vengeful behavior out of his boss. It would fit with his other actions.

> This kind of behavior gives technical people a bad name, and perpetuates the myth that we are social hermits who cannot sell or run companies.

There is absolutely nothing here that deserves you pushing a tech stereotype or hermit narrative on it. Conflict avoidance is a well-known human issue. Hundreds of people in hundreds of fields quit because of leadership issues.

It is completely unfair to make people think that you have to allow people to treat you poorly as part of a proper social structure. That's a hostile work environment, and there are laws about that sort of thing for a reason. You don't ever have to "resolve" things. Leaving is always an option.

> Unreasonable work expectations for product features and expectations that a person would be available anytime/any day weekends including to do work and support.

There's another labor violation. This CEO specializes in "business". He knows the rules. He has no excuse for his behavior. He doesn't treat his employees respectfully, so he's not deserving of any loyalty. And the other founder doesn't stop it, though I'm sure he sees it, too. Management doesn't really care.

He shouldn't have to have this conversation in the first place. Don't blame him for not wanting to have it. There are 20+ people in that company. It's not his job to be the messenger if he doesn't want to.

Though I'd still recommend doing it because it would teach him to recognize and prevent these situations in the future.