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by engi_nerd 3973 days ago
Please stop repeating this misconception. To date, less than $100 billion (that's one hundred thousand millions) USD has been spent on the program. Total cost of research and development is $54.9 billion, the rest is the cost of acquiring the aircraft that have been purchased thus far.

The cost to acquire 2,443 aircraft (the currently planned production run) is $257.2 billion in 2012 USD. Operations costs for the next 55 years are projected to be either $597.8 billion USD (if you believe CAPE) or $535.8 billion USD (if you believe the JSF Program Office).

Both of those organizations have projected the total cost of the program and have said either $1016.5 billion (CAPE) or $859.0 billion (JPO).

All data taken from this document http://defense-update.com/files/member/JPO-SAR-14.PDF, which is an official extraction from a much longer and more involved report, which you can view here: http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/0...

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Much more readable analysis here. https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL30563.pdf

It's hard to say how much we'll ultimately spend on the F-35 for complicated reasons. For example, it's hard to guess what jet fuel will cost in, say, 2030. Might be cheap, might be crazy expensive.

I am not fond of the program for many reasons, however, it's important to clarify what's going on with that number. I think your number of $100 billion is right. We have not yet spent $1000 billion on the program. One key point about the cost is, they projected using the fighter for 50 years rather than the traditional 30.

IMHO, it's the last wooden warship. I'd rather spend the money on unmanned specialized drones. But, i can grind that axe elsewhere. Thanks for the links, it did clarify some of my thinking about the F-35.

The "traditional 30" is only with 4th generation fighters -- as in, we've only had one generation with that lifespan. Previous generations of jet fighters could be designed, tested, fielded, and retired within as little as 10 years as the speed of technology development increased ever faster. The reasons why 4th generation aircraft have been able to last so long are numerous. I'll take a quick stab at it.

1) There haven't been any radical innovations in jet propulsion. Sure, the latest engines from GE or P&W are more efficient than the engines of the 80s, but not dramatically so. 2) The 4th generation fighters were well designed with an eye for systems growth, precisely because the government grew tired of continually developing new fighters. Insert here whatever impact you wish to give to the "fighter mafia". These aircraft were able to take advantage of digital data buses and fly by wire technologies, which were new and allowed for years and years of expansion and growth. Point-to-point wired aircraft just get really difficult to improve past a certain point. 3) Improvements in materials and manufacturing techniques incorporated into the 4th generation gave them longer service lives.

I could keep going. But you get the idea. The 4th generation was wildly successful.

And thank you for that fas.org link, it appears to be a good gathering of facts upon my initial perusal.

From 2012: "The government now projects that the total cost to develop, buy and operate the Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will be $1.51 trillion over the next 50-plus years, according to a Pentagon document obtained by Reuters"

Dunno if it's true but it's still mentioned in the Wikipedia article.

"The government is projected to pay $1.51T over the next 50-plus years" is a very different statement from "The government paid $1.5T for it."
I pointed to the latest selected acquisition report, which is the definitive document regarding program costs. It is to be considered the authoritative source for cost data related to this program. It is more recent than the document referenced in the Wikipedia article.
We're still talking about over $650 million per plane in total lifetime costs, even from the optimistic reports -- just an absolute boondoggle of a program.
That is on order of what any fighter would cost to support over that time. Jets are very expensive.