[bphogan]

Lots of downvotes, but I can relate to what you are saying. 10 years of working in a pro Microsoft organization trying to do PHP and Ruby development showed me that developers and managers alike bought into Microsoft's ideas at the time. Microsoft was good, Microsoft offered support, and open-source was just for hobbyists. 10 years of working with servers that were hostile towards openness, and 10 years of watching Microsoft blatantly steal from open-source and not give back.

Now they're giving back. And that's great. But I was involved with IronRuby. And I will never trust MS and open-source after that all went down. I'm a big fan of Chocolatey.org, and I'm hearing that MS wants to do their own version of that too.

The more things change...

[lectrick]

I knew I'd get downvotes, but we are real people in a real community and feelings DO matter and have consequences which cannot simply be brushed aside, and those are my honest feelings on it, and I lived through it and saw it all (been a web dev, first frontend now backend, since '97). The last straw was when Microsoft was SO guilty that the judge couldn't help but be biased, which of course caused the antitrust case to get thrown out: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02198.html (note: I'm kind of against antitrust, but I am in favor of SOME punishment when a corporation is provably just being a dick, period).

I also love Ruby (I'm now trying to get into Elixir) so the IronRuby stuff resonates, I salute you.

> and 10 years of watching Microsoft blatantly steal from open-source and not give back

Oh you mean LDAP? ;) And whatever harm Outlook did to MIME or SMTP or... and not even going to mention IE