[rjusher]

I might come across as ignorant but what is the relationship between Kubernetes and Docker, because when I was reading the article I tought of it as a Docker competitor, but further down in the comments, there is one that says they do different jobs.

And that confused me.

[TheIronYuppie]

Docker and Kubernetes works hand in hand. That is to say, if you choose Docker as your container format, Kubernetes runs Docker on every node to run your container. Kubernetes focuses on _what_ Docker should run, and how to move those container workloads around.

Docker also has Docker Swarm, which can be thought of as a competitor in some ways. But Google will be a heavy supporter of their container format for a long time to come.

Full Disclosure: I work at Google on Kubernetes

[rjusher]

So Kubernetes compliments Docker, but how it complements it.

I had tested Docker just for fun, thinking that maybe I could implement it in the way I work, and sure it is a super tool for developing (far better than Virtual Machines), but deploying was kind of nightmerish, for what I understood Docker wasn't at the time ready for being a deployment tool.

Does Kubernetes fixes or extends Docker in this way

[bkeroack]

Think of them as different layers. If you're a front end web dev, it's sort of like SASS vs CSS: the former is a layer on top of the latter that makes it more powerful/convenient/easier to use.

At the bottom of the stack (most low level) is the Docker runtime. It knows how to run containers on the local machine. It can link them together, manage volumes, etc but at the core it is a single machine system. (That's probably why Docker, Inc has developed their proprietary orchestration tools like swarm).

Layered on top of that are container-native OSes like CoreOS. CoreOS provides facilities for running distributed containers on multiple physical nodes. It handles things like replication and restarting failed containers (actually fleet "units"). This is a huge improvement over vanilla Docker, but it's still pretty low level. If you want to run a real production application with dependencies it can be tedious. For example, linking together containers that run on different nodes. How does container A find container B (which may be running on any one of N nodes)? To solve this you have to do things like the Ambassador Pattern[1]. Any complex application deployment involves essentially building discovery and dependency management from scratch.

Layered on top of this is Kubernetes (it runs on CoreOS but also Ubuntu and others). As said elsewhere in this post, k8s provides an opinionated workflow that allows you to build distributed application deployments without the pain of implementing things like low-level discovery. You describe your application in terms of containers, ports, and services and k8s takes care of spawning them, managing replica count (restarting/migrating if necessary) and discovery (via DNS or environment variables).

One of the very convenient things about k8s (unlike vanilla Docker) is that all containers within a pod can find each other via localhost, so you don't have to maintain tedious webs of container links. In general it takes the world of containerization from "Cool technology, but good luck migrating production over" to "I think we could do this!".

1. https://coreos.com/blog/docker-dynamic-ambassador-powered-by...

[TheIronYuppie]

was about to write a response, but bkeroack did a perfect job with the above :)

Full disclosure: I work at Google on Kubernetes

[matthewrudy]

I have a docker image I want to run "myapp". So I tell Kubernetes "run me 5 instances of the image 'myapp', and expose port 8080"

Kubernetes jobs is to start, monitor, and load balance those docker containers.

Docker's job is to run each container.

[pat2man]

Kubernetes is a scheduler for Docker containers. So lets say you want the following:

1 x MySQL Master

2 x MySQL Slave

5 x PHP Server

1 x Monitoring Script

Each of those would be a docker container. Kubernetes would figure out which host to place them on and verify that they are running, rebooting them on another host if one of your hosts goes down.

[ecnahc515]

Docker as an organization, is a competitor to Google and Kubernetes, but Docker as a tool is complemented by Kubernetes.

This is because Docker is building it's own scheduling/orchestration tools, which is what Kubernetes is for. However, as a container runtime, Kubernetes works great with Docker.